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Part IV BUT IF OUR CONCEPT of God is on the
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BUT IF OUR CONCEPT of God is on the nebulous side, we are offered more concrete guidance on the subject of religion and spirituality. It is not awesome, abstract and complex, even though it seems so at first.
history -- philosophers, psychologists, educators -- have to say about religion. Note that none of them, with the exception of St. James, is a professional religionist.
sense of need." --Allan Menzies. "Religion shall mean for us the feelings, acts and experiences of individual men in their solitude, so far as they apprehend themselves to stand in relation to whatever they may consider the divine." -- William James.
divine commands."--Immanual Kant. "Religion is that part of human experience in which man feels himself in relation with powers of psychic nature, usually personal powers, and makes use of them."--James Henry Leuba. "Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and windows in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."--The General Epistle of James, 1:27.
of these definitions to our own Twelve Steps. The Menzies definition is nothing more than a condensed version of the first three steps wherein we admit we are beaten, come to believe a Power greater than ourselves can restore us, and turn our wills and lives over to that Power.
should believe in God AS WE UNDERSTAND HIM. Immanuel Kant also tells us to turn our wills and lives over to God, and then hints at Steps Five to Eleven, wherein we are admonished to give our lives a thorough housecleaning. For such confessions and restitutions are without question divine commands.
where we make use of our newly found powers. And all we need to do in the St. James passage is to substitute the word "Alcoholic" for "Father less and Widows" and we have Step Twelve. As a matter of fact, before we gave up alcohol we were very definitely fatherless and widows.
There is not an ethical religion in the world today that does not teach to a great extent the principles of Love, Charity and Good Will. The Jehovah of the Hebrews is a stern God who will have vengeance if his laws are broken, yet the great Hebrew prophets taught a message of social justice. Incidentally, the modern Jewish family is one of our finest examples of helping one another. When a member of the family gets into trouble of any kind, the relatives, from parents to cousins, rally around with advice, admonition, and even financial assistance. This, incidentally, may be one reason there are not more Jewish members of AA. The family, in many cases, can handle the alcoholic problem.
poor, give shelter to the homeless and the traveler, and conduct themselves with personal dignity. Consider the eight-part program laid down in Buddhism: Right view, right aim, right speech, right action, right living, right effort, right mind- edness and right contemplation. The Buddhist philosophy, as exemplified by these eight points, could be literally adopted by AA as a substitute for or addition to the Twelve Steps. Generosity, universal love and welfare of others rather than considerations of self are basic to Buddhism.
Without a spiritual life there can be no tranquility and serenity.
We will find peace when our lives are rightly ordered. Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3168. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Experience, strength, and hope From: RDUBYA . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/13/2006 8:06:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Penny, Pleae look at the last line of the Forward to the third edition of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Where did the phrase share our experience, strength and hope come from?
Penny Morrison DOS 8-18-00 Roanoke Virginia
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From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/13/2006 7:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII It appears that someone has no idea what the book I wrote was based upon or the fact that it wasn't just Clarence's bio but an historical account of early Cleveland AA. Only a small part of the book was based upon interviews with Clarence. Dozens of oral histories of early AA members in AA archival repositories - including AAGSO - were used. Several thousands of pages of original documents from Cleveland and other archival repositories including AAGSO, Stepping Stones etc were used. A couple hundred hours of live, in-person and phone interviews of long-term members and friends of AA were used. Over 11 years of extensive research, writing and review went into the book.
continues to illuminate your own agenda here. The name, Jane S. does not appear in any of the early Cleveland archival materials or dozens of meeting rosters or histories of all the original groups compiled by Norm E., the recording statistician from the Cleveland Central Committee in the early 1940's.
> be a factor as > opposed to just when someone might have first showed > up. Bill and Bob > had two unsuccessful Akron, OH prospects (Dr McK and > Eddie R) prior to > Bill D being dubbed "AA #3." Plus there was the > legendary "Lil." > > Using the 1-year criterion would favor Florence R > for primacy and my > vote goes to Florence. > > Jane S (presumed to be from Cleveland) predated > Clarence S (the > acknowledged Cleveland pioneer) by a year yet she is > not recalled in > Mitchell K's biography of Clarence S (based on > interviews with > Clarence). So I just don't know where Jane S fits > other than being > mentioned in "Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers" along > with "Lil." > > Cheers > Arthur > > __________________________________ > > Message 3142 from: > Tom Hickcox > (cometkazie1 at cox.net) > Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] > First woman was Jane S., not Florence > > Perhaps if we could agree on a question first, then > > it could be addressed. The question could be, "Who > was the first woman working the program of what > became Alcoholics Anonymous to attain a year's > sobriety?" > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3170. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Young People''s Group- 4021 Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 12:22:00 AM
Bulletin announced the first Young People's meeting: "Age is no barrier if you wish to participate in the meeting of one of the newest groups, organized in October. The group calls itself the Young People's Group and it was formed by several of the younger A.A.'s...20's - 30's. But they stress the fact that they do not exclude 'oldsters' from their meetings." The group met on Wednesdays at 8:30 PM in the West Side Evangelical Hall on West 38th Street and Bridge. --- Shakey1aa@aol.com wrote: > The 35 and Younger Group(Young Peoples Group) was > started February 1946 by > Art L, and Bates Mc L. in Philadelphia, Pa. Being > under 30 years of age they > thought that AA wasn't doing such a good job with > the younger alcoholic. They > started a weekly monday meeting for members of AA > under 35 years of age. The > group had several female members. They felt they > could deal with members who > were younger and had not yet hit as low a bottom as > older members. They had > parties, picnic's and other social events as well > as the AA meetings. > Several years ago,at a workshop that had several > original group members, > I remember Pat C saying that she and several > other members of the group > got in a car and went to Niagra Falls for the 1st > Young Peoples convention.Most > of those that attended the workshop had a love of > life and of each other and > were all over 50 years of continuous sobriety. > The group will celebrate 60 years on Tuesday, > February 14th at 7 P.M. at > 4021 Walnut St. Philadelphia,Pennsylvania. > Does anyone know of any Young People's Groups > before that date. I think > there may have been another group in the Los Angeles > area.
> Yours in Service, > Shakey Mike G. > >
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++++Message 3171. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "burning desire" From: Veda . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/13/2006 9:16:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I don't know about the "burning desire" but "do the next right thing" comes from the story of Dr. Paul "Doctor Alcoholic, Addict" which is now named
Acceptance Is The Answer". And the saying "It works if you work it" comes from the chapter "Into Action". Where it says "It works it really does". -------Original Message------- From: hesofine2day Date: 02/13/06 00:11:05 To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "burning desire" I have an idea that many of the expressions and conventions in AA these days have seeped in from NA and/or treatment centers.
a burning desire?" at the end of a meeting? Also where did the expression "do the next right thing" come from? And finally saying "It works if you work it" after the Lord's prayer. ________________________________
old time AA in northern Indiana (see http://hindsfoot.org/kfoc1.html) frequently tells newcomers "you must want it with a burning desire." He says he didn't make up this phrase, but that it was something that other people also said back in the old days.
trained by the old-time black AA members who came into South Bend AA in the 1940's. He doesn't talk treatment jargon or use the jazzy NA phrases that everybody chants at the end of their meetings.
a burning desire," the words go back to a period before all the psychobabble and high school cheerleading type stuff. The great heyday of the treatment centers funded by insurance money ran from the mid 1980's to the mid 1990's approximately, so anything prior to the mid 1980's is probably not coming from that source.
burning desire" back before the 1970's? "Modern AA" and "old time AA" are both relative terms, and in the earliest years, 1936 is very different from 1938, 1939 is very different from 1941, and 1946 is very different from 1948 or 1949. The 1960's were very different from the 1950's. AA was going through continuous change and development during that whole period. But it was working effectively and continuing to grow and expand at an enormous rate.
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AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3172. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "burning desire" From: j_oys5672 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 8:01:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Frank M. from Illinois early on in his story makes the statement "It works if you work it and it dont't if you don't. I do not know if he is the originator of this statement. As i have been told many times nothing in Alcoholics Anonymous is Original !
Shoemaker From: j_oys5672 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 8:12:00 AM
... wrote: Many years ago -- maybe 16 or so -- an audio tape was slipped into a purchase of books I had made in a spiritual bookshop in NYC (long gone). It turned out to be a wonderful talk by a woman named "Gertrude" to a group of Episcopal church women, in Chicago, I think. I don't remember specifics of the tape very well, but I'll never forget Gertrude .... I wonder if anyone else ever heard that tape or remembers Gertrude. Susan Banker NYC
____________________________________________ It may just possibly be Gert B. If my memory serves me right I believe she was living in Iowa a number of years ago and I don't know if she is still living. I have three tapes by Gert B. Jerry
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3174. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W''s writings on Vitamin B From: Russ Hillard . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 12:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Well, that didn't take long.... See http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html - to pique your interest
here is an excerpt: "The term vitamin B-3 was reintroduced by my friend Bill W., co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, (Bill Wilson). We met in New York in 1960. Humphry Osmond and I introduced him to the concept of mega vitamin therapy. We described the results we had seen with our schizophrenic patients, some of whom were also alcoholic. We also told him about its many other properties. It was therapeutic for arthritis, for some cases of senility and it lowered cholesterol levels. Bill was very curious about it and began to take niacin, 3 g daily. Within a few weeks fatigue and depression which had plagued him for years were gone. He gave it to 30 of his close friends in AA and persuaded them to try it. Within 6 months he was convinced that it would be very helpful to alcoholics. Of the thirty, 10 were free of anxiety, tension and depression in one month. Another 10 were well in two months. He decided that the chemical or medical terms for this
vitamin were not appropriate. He wanted to persuade members of AA, especially the doctors in AA, that this would be a useful addition to treatment and he needed a term that could be more readily popularized. He asked me the names that had been used. I told him it was originally known as vitamin B-3. This was the term Bill wanted. In his first report to physicians in AA he called it "The Vitamin B-3 Therapy." Thousands of copies of this extraordinary pamphlet were distributed. Eventually the name came back and today even the most conservative medical journals are using the term vitamin B-3. Bill became unpopular with the members of the board of AA International. The medical members who had been appointed by Bill, felt that he had no business messing about with treatment using vitamins. They also "knew" vitamin B-3 could not be therapeutic as Bill had found it to be. For this reason Bill provided information to the medical members of AA outside of the National Board, distributing three of his amazing pamphlets. They are now not readily available."
I have, somewhere, a hard copy of Bill W's writings to the Medical Profession on Vitamin B and its benefits to alcoholics. However, I am not sure as to where this had copy is. However, I am sure that by now, these very informative and interesting studies would be stored, electronically.Could someone please provide
me with an electronic copy. Having "found" my first Sponsor (Broken Hill Jack who I knew all my life and walked with me for 29 years until he died July 1, 2001) virtually day dot, having "done" my first 4 and 5th Step (from the Big Book) when I was less than 3 months sober, having been involved in the 3rd Steps Meeting in Australia, the 1st Big Book Study Groups (under direct and personal guidance from Wesley Parrish), the first Beginners Group, 1st Sponsorship Workshop, 1 st Traditions Workshops, 1 st Workshops on the Four Absolutes, etc., I am not suggesting against anything to do with "structured Recovery process" (not necessarily AA jargon). However, I came into AA before "Living Sober" was put out.
shivering, shaking mess, sufficiently enough to have the bodily capacity and mental willingness to develop spiritually, I believe every newie would benefit
from being issued with a copy of "Living Sober" along with their local Meetings list plus Members phone number, as their first hard copy collection of AA material. I have been taking B vitamins for over 33 years, as was suggested to me and as was the case for many many Oldtimers who showed me the "way" which included the physical and mental as well as the spiritual. While Broken Hill Jack "took me" straight to the Serenity Prayer, at our first outing, he also suggested that I put the Vitamin B next to the salt and pepper shaker, so as I
would not forget to take it every morning. Broken Hill Jack also explained (I will not go into his explanations now) why alcoholics like him and I need Vitamin B. In fact when Bill was told to stop shouting from "spiritual hilltops", it was suggested that he stress the (physically and perhaps mental) hopelessness of the disease. Pray God, as I "get well????", help me not to forget that it is a Three Fold Disease!!!! Kind Regards, John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Addiction recovery program Recovery from addiction Addiction recovery center Christian addiction recovery Alcoholics anonymous
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From: Russ Hillard . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 11:54:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi All - John's inquiry below has prompted me to look around a bit. The search has just started, but I have found that Dr Abram Hoffer knew Bill W and he is apparently the original source of Bill's interest in niacin (one of the B-complex vitamins) for the treatment of alcoholism. Dr Andrew Saul has written extensively on the importance of nutritional factors (including, but not limited to, B-complex vitamins) in the treatment of alcoholism. For a quick introduction you might look at http://www.doctoryourself.com/alcoholism.html If I turn up anything really historical I'll let you know. Best regards, Russ Hillard JOHN e REID I have, somewhere, a hard copy of Bill W's writings to the Medical Profession on Vitamin B and its benefits to alcoholics. However, I am not sure as to where this had copy is. However, I am sure that by now, these very informative and interesting studies would be stored, electronically.Could someone please provide
me with an electronic copy. Having "found" my first Sponsor (Broken Hill Jack who I knew all my life and walked with me for 29 years until he died July 1, 2001) virtually day dot, having "done" my first 4 and 5th Step (from the Big Book) when I was less than 3 months sober, having been involved in the 3rd Steps Meeting in Australia, the 1st Big Book Study Groups (under direct and personal guidance from Wesley Parrish), the first Beginners Group, 1st Sponsorship Workshop, 1 st Traditions Workshops, 1 st Workshops on the Four Absolutes, etc., I am not suggesting against anything to do with "structured Recovery process" (not necessarily AA jargon). However, I came into AA before "Living Sober" was put out.
shivering, shaking mess, sufficiently enough to have the bodily capacity and mental willingness to develop spiritually, I believe every newie would benefit
from being issued with a copy of "Living Sober" along with their local Meetings list plus Members phone number, as their first hard copy collection of AA material. I have been taking B vitamins for over 33 years, as was suggested to me and as was the case for many many Oldtimers who showed me the "way" which included the physical and mental as well as the spiritual. While Broken Hill Jack "took me" straight to the Serenity Prayer, at our first outing, he also suggested that I put the Vitamin B next to the salt and pepper shaker, so as I
would not forget to take it every morning. Broken Hill Jack also explained (I will not go into his explanations now) why alcoholics like him and I need Vitamin B. In fact when Bill was told to stop shouting from "spiritual hilltops", it was suggested that he stress the (physically and perhaps mental) hopelessness of the disease. Pray God, as I "get well????", help me not to forget that it is a Three Fold Disease!!!! Kind Regards, John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Addiction recovery program Recovery from addiction Addiction recovery center Christian addiction recovery Alcoholics anonymous
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AAHistoryLovers" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, and more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3176. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Experience, strength, and hope From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 5:52:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Penny "Experience, strength and hope" first appeared in the June 1947 Grapevine. That issue carried the introduction of what we today call the "AA Preamble." It was written by Tom Y, Grapevine's first editor
and was based on the foreword to the 1st edition Big Book. The full text of the preamble and after-notes, as it read then in the June 1947 Grapevine was: Alcoholics Anonymous Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share, their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
drinking. A.A. has no dues or fees. It is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, and neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety. The A.A. Program of Recovery is incorporated in The 12 Steps. The A.A. book of experience, Alcoholics Anonymous, and other literature, including The 12 Points of Tradition, are available through any group or the Central Office, P.O. Box 459, Grand Central Annex, New York 17, N. Y.
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the Foreword to the 3rd edition Big Book. Not that long ago it became the title for the anthology containing the personal stories deleted from prior editions of the Big Book.
Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Penny Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:15 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Experience, strength, and hope
and hope come from? In love and sobriety Penny Morrison DOS 8-18-00 Roanoke Virginia
greater than the fear of letting go! Never assume some one knows you love them, take the time to tell them. Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3177. . . . . . . . . . . . Self-Support From: sunnykhill12 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/14/2006 2:54:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Was there an article in the Grapevine or in some other publication that suggested a $1 per meeting donation in the meeting basket? If so, what year was it published. I am seeing my Area and District struggle financially because groups only have enough money to cover their own expenses with the $1 mentality. Any information would help - I have been asked to do a self-support workshop. Thanks,
Sunny H. Little Rock, AR IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3178. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Women in AA: "Gertrude" and Rev. Shoemaker From: David G. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/15/2006 5:35:00 PM
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very much. Many years ago -- maybe 16 or so -- an audio tape was slipped into a purchase of books I had made in a spiritual bookshop in NYC (long gone). It turned out to be a wonderful talk by a woman named "Gertrude" to a group of Episcopal church women, in Chicago, I think. I don't remember specifics of the tape very well, but I'll never forget Gertrude. She was more than middle aged when she made the tape and she had been sober a long time. She knew Dr. Shoemaker and I think was a member of his congregation. Most vividly I remember her telling of the years she had lived in a house in Santa Fe which she had filled up with needy women in early recovery.
recovering woman. I wonder if anyone else ever heard that tape or remembers Gertrude. Susan B. NYC
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on Beausoleil Island in Gerorian Bay National Park that said it was for alcoholics and their families. It also said "no rowdysim, alcoholic beverages, dogs or firearms." No date on the card as I recall. My questions are: Were there other AA family vacation or living facilities? Have there been any AA flavored (or AA and Al-Anon) communitites (or small developments) established over the years?
possibiity of such a small retirement housing development for our families and we could certainly benefit from the lessons of others. So far, we have not found an AA related communtiy (or 12th step community) projects and we are looking at only http://www.cohousing.org/overview.aspx as a beginning guidline for discussion among outselves with a focus on sober retirement living.
Nashville, TN IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3180. . . . . . . . . . . . "More will be revealed" From: Cheryl F . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/16/2006 12:51:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone know where the phrase "More will be revealed" came from? Someone asked me the other day and I can't find it in the literature. Of course that might mean I haven't read something I need to have read anyway yet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3181. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob`s Nightmare From: Fred . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/16/2006 10:38:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Attending an archives workshop we came across an interesting question, on page 175 there is mention of Dr. Bob`s father sending a doctor from their hometown to bring him back there. Which consequently kept Dr. Bob in bed for the NEXT 2 months before he could eventually venture out of the house.Suffering from the effects of his alcoholoic behavior certainly required some medical attention during this convelescence.We could not determine the DOCTORS name who brought Dr. Bob back to St. Johnsbury for this rehabilation attempt.Does anyone know of the NAME of this DOCTOR from St. Johnsbury,Vt. Inquisitively Grateful, Fred
Rev. Shoemaker From: Bruce A. Johanson . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 1:36:00 AM
Community Living From: Joe Nugent . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 2:04:00 AM
there is no longer a camp Ouendake on Beausoleil Island which is located in Georgian Bay, Ontario, This is a web site that can give you some information re. this Island http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/on/georg/natcul/natcul3_e.asp enjoy Joe N.
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greatcir@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:51 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] AA Vacation Facility, Retirement Community Living
on Beausoleil Island in Gerorian Bay National Park that said it was for alcoholics and their families. It also said "no rowdysim, alcoholic beverages, dogs or firearms." No date on the card as I recall. My questions are: Were there other AA family vacation or living facilities? Have there been any AA flavored (or AA and Al-Anon) communitites (or small developments) established over the years?
possibiity of such a small retirement housing development for our families and we could certainly benefit from the lessons of others. So far, we have not found an AA related communtiy (or 12th step community) projects and we are looking at only http://www.cohousing.org/overview.aspx as a beginning guidline for discussion among outselves with a focus on sober retirement living.
Nashville, TN IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3184. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "burning desire" From: Chuck Parkhurst . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 4:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is this just opinion? I have read Dr Paul's story again just now and see nothing in there that I feel resembles that quote and "It works it really does," seems a far cry from the mindless chant heard at a lot of meetings. At some of my groups, after the end of the Lord's prayer, we say......STAY. Chuck Parkhurst ______________________________ Responding to Message 3171 from "Veda" I don't know about the "burning desire" but "do the next right thing" comes from the story of Dr. Paul "Doctor Alcoholic, Addict" which is now named "Acceptance Is The Answer". And the saying "It works if you work it" comes from the chapter "Into Action". Where it says "It works it really does." ______________________________ Which was a response to Message 3158 from Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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