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> rather well: > > "For Shoemaker leaving the OG, cf. Clark, The > Oxford Group, pp. 54, 80; Shoemaker (New York) to > Wilson, 27 June 1949: > > 'God has saved you from the love of the spotlight, > Bill, at least if not from the love of it -- from > getting too much into it, and it is one of the biggest > things about you.... If dear Frank could have learned > the same lesson long ago MRA might have changed the > face of the earth.'" > > ernie IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3423. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Recent photos of John Seiberling From: Fritz689 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/3/2006 11:29:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Glenn, The John Sieberling pictures you shared with everyone have the WRONG caption. John's wife's name is BETTY, my wife's name is Katie Ings and we go to Stan Hywet Gardens and Museum often. John and his wife BETTY still enjoy returning to the family grounds and meeting people and sharing a moment or two as often as they can. Gratefully Yours, Fred Ings _____ From: Glenn Chesnut (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) Subject: Recent photos of John Seiberling
of John Seiberling, which are the ones Fred is talking about:
two photos when he sent them to me, the woman on the right in the top picture (and on the left in the bottom picture) is named Katie and is John Seiberling's wife.
named Betty or Katie? And (2) is that woman John's wife or Fred's wife?
I have met John (at one of the National Archives Workshops in Akron which Gail LaC. organized) but have never met his wife, so I am dependent here on people who know both of them to help me get the right captions on these photos. John was Henrietta Seiberling's son, and is the last living person who was around when the original, early meetings between Bill W. and Dr. Bob occurred in the summer of 1935. Glenn Chesnut (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3424. . . . . . . . . . . . Let It Begin With Me From: rrecovery2002 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/4/2006 10:05:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Let It Begin With Me---Where is that quote from? Thanks IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3425. . . . . . . . . . . . Who were the "fortunate few"? From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/8/2006 9:41:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Who were the "fortunate few" who were able to "give nearly all their time" to AA work at the time the Big Book was being written?
of this work, nor do we think its effectiveness would be increased if we did. We feel that elimination of our drinking is but a beginning. A much more important demonstration of our principles lies before us in our respective homes, occupations and affairs. All of us spend much of our spare time in the sort of effort which we are going to describe. A few are fortunate enough to be so situated that they can give nearly all their time to the work." Does anyone know who these fortunate few were? Thanks history lovers IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3426. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Let It Begin With Me From: remcuster@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/10/2006 5:20:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 40th Anniversary AA International at Denver, from remcuster and Theresa L. (plus remarks by Mel B., Jan R., and Lance W.) ______________________________ From: remcuster@aol.com (remcuster at aol.com) It was the "Theme" for the A.A. Convention in Denver, 1975 ______________________________
(brideofaa at yahoo.com) I happened upon a mention of it from "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age". p.xi Landmarks in A.A. History 1975 40th Anniversary International Convention at Denver Colorado. Over 19,000 join Lois in repeating the theme, "Let It begin with Me" ______________________________
(lance_1954 at yahoo.com) In Al-Anon's Declaration similar to AA'sWhen anyone, anywhere...." ______________________________ From: "Mel Barger" (melb at accesstoledo.com) IT'S IN THE SONG, LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH, AND LET IT BEGIN WITH ME. Mel Barger ______________________________ From: "Jan L. Robinson" (jbaldwin at imbris.com) The only one that I know is a song "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me." Jan IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3427. . . . . . . . . . . . new find orig writer of book September Remember From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/9/2006 6:32:00 PM
today May 9 2006 regarding a page I had done on the alcoholism book September Remember by Pseudonym Elliot Taintor From : Caleb Mason Sent : Monday, May 8, 2006 10:31 AM To : Subject : September Remember This novel was written by Gregory Mason (my grandfather) and his wife Ruth Fitch. Caleb Mason I am awaiting futher news and proof about this LD Pierce editor aabibliography.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3428. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W.''s military awards From: Danny S . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/9/2006 8:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi all. I am not aware of any decorations Bill may have received in the service. Has anyone got any inkling of what Bill was talking about, specificially when he says in his story, "for had not the men of my battery given me a special token of appreciation." (1:3) What was the "token of appreciation"? Do we know or have heard of, any
medals, commendations, honors etc.? Thanks. Peace, Danny Schwarzhoff IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3429. . . . . . . . . . . . Charlie''s lead? (of the Joe and Charlie tapes) From: Eric . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/10/2006 9:47:00 AM
if there is anywhere online where Charlie's lead can be downloaded. I found Joe's on xa-speakers.org but haven't found anything by Charlie, if one even exists. Thanks IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3430. . . . . . . . . . . . Ebby T. Letter (1962) From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/9/2006 10:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Envelope Postage Stamp: Delmar N.Y. January 23, 1962 9 AM
E.T.Thacher #1 Oakwood Place Delmar, N.Y. U.S.A.
Mr. B Whitney Hillmer, Harbour Master, 217 Essex Street Sarnia, Ontario Canada
c/o K.R.Thacher #1 Oakwood Place Delmar, N.Y.
from
me, except that on Dec.5th, last, I was "took" with pneumonia and
hospitalized until the 15th in Dallas. From there to a clinic for convalescence until Dec. 27th, when I took a plane for N.Y. City. The latter because the medicos said I would not be fit to work for some time, and without employment I could not very well stick around Dallas. Good old Bill Wilson met me at the airport and I spent a few days with the Wilsons in their home in Bedford Hills, then on here. Delmar is a suburb of Albany, which city is my birthplace and where I was "brung up". It's a lot different after 24 yrs. absence! I am feeling better, and just now getting my legs back under me. I have no plans as yet, just trying to take it, day at a time,-and I assure you I never have been too good at that sort of thing, but we'll give it a whirl.
bad, both taken in Dallas in '54. I unearthed them from a large folder I was able to salvage, the afternoon I cleaned my room, the day prior to my departure. Take it easy,-and keep those ships moving. All the best Ebby
(Ebwin T. Thacher) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3431. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Who were the "fortunate few"? From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/9/2006 11:37:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Comments from Jay L. and Tom H. ______________________________ From: "Jay Lawyer" (ejlawyer at midtel.net) Bill W. for one. Due to his work history (getting tight at the wrong times) no one would give him work so he spent alot of time to AA work. Dr. Bob worked at the hospital and it is claimed he worked with at least 5000 people in his 15 years of sober life. That just names a couple that were so situated. I would think that some of the salesmen that went around the country that were given names of people who wrote to 'The Alcoholic Foundation' were also meant to be included in that statement. Jay ______________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: trixiebellaa Who were the "fortunate few" who were able to "give nearly all their time" to AA work at the time the Big Book was being written?
of this work, nor do we think its effectiveness would be increased if we did. We feel that elimination of our drinking is but a beginning. A much more important demonstration of our principles lies before us in our respective homes, occupations and affairs. All of us spend much of our spare time in the sort of effort which we are going to describe. A few are fortunate enough to be so situated that they can give nearly all their time to the work." Does anyone know who these fortunate few were? Thanks history lovers ______________________________ From: Tom Hickcox (cometkazie1 at cox.net) I have taken it as figurative speech with no one in particular in mind. I doubt that it can be demonstrated with any degree of certainty one way or the other. The Big Book is full of examples like this. Tommy H in Baton Rouge ______________________________ From the moderator: It seems to me that the operant phrase is "nearly all their time," meaning people who spent the majority of their time every week working with alcoholics instead of working at their jobs.
on his medical practice as compared to his work sponsoring alcoholics, which was the reason that he and Anne had so little money for clothes, household expenses, automobile expenses, and so on. (See Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers) Sgt. Bill S., who knew AA No. 3 well, says that AA No. 3 made much less money than most lawyers because he neglected his legal practice to do AA work, but he told Sgt. Bill that "he got a million dollars in gratitude" as his payment. (As recounted in Sgt. Bill's book about early AA: http://hindsfoot.org/kBS1.html )
time," remembering that Bill W. had a tendency to exaggerate a bit.
South Bend, Indiana glennccc@sbcglobal.net (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3432. . . . . . . . . . . . SV: Charlie''s lead? (of the Joe and Charlie tapes) From: Bent Christensen . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/10/2006 3:40:00 PM
(bent_christensen5 at yahoo.com) Hi Eric I'm not sure if this is what you looking for, anyway, you can find a speak where Charlie tells his story on www.pass-it-on.dk
Eric I love the Joe and Charlie tapes, but along this line I was wondering if there is anywhere online where Charlie's lead can be downloaded. I found Joe's on xa-speakers.org but haven't found anything by Charlie, if one even exists. Thanks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Johanna" (flutters at charter.net) http://www.recoverytimes.com/janc.html http://silkworth.net/freestuff.html ______________________________
(Azor521 at aol.com) Charlie's lead can be downloaded Ya might give these a try.......... Floyd J. _http://kischat.com/bigbook/joeandcharlie.html_ (http://kischat.com/bigbook/joeandcharlie.html) _http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/speakers.htm_ (http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/speakers.htm) ______________________________
(jim_011591 at yahoo.com) Try xaspeakers.org and The Primary Purpose Group's website. Regards, Jim ______________________________ From: "Robert Stonebraker" (rstonebraker212 at insightbb.com) Charlie Parmley spoke at the Akron Founder's Day on June 11, 1994, so you may be able to purchase it from a tape/cd catalogue.
From: Cheryl F . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/11/2006 12:13:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII What documentation was used in determining Dr. Bob blackout time frame? I can find reference to everything else. How do we know it was five days since he left for the convention to the time he was picked up at the train station? Grateful so I serve, Cheryl F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3434. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Let It Begin With Me From: okmizlizb . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/11/2006 3:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII My father attended the 1975 convention in Denver and told me that they held hands and sang "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me." Was his memory of this correct? (And/or am I telling the story correctly?) ________________________________________
> > 40th Anniversary AA International at Denver, > from remcuster and Theresa L. (plus remarks by > Mel B., Jan R., and Lance W.) > ______________________________ > > From: remcuster@... > (remcuster at aol.com) > > It was the "Theme" for the A.A. Convention in > Denver, 1975 > ______________________________ > > From: theresa leisinger > (brideofaa at yahoo.com) > > I happened upon a mention of it from "Alcoholics > Anonymous Comes of Age". p.xi > > Landmarks in A.A. History 1975 40th Anniversary > International Convention at Denver Colorado. > Over 19,000 join Lois in repeating the theme, > "Let It begin with Me" > ______________________________ > > From: Lance Weldgen > (lance_1954 at yahoo.com) > > In Al-Anon's Declaration similar to AA'sWhen anyone, anywhere...." > ______________________________ > > From: "Mel Barger" > (melb at accesstoledo.com) > > IT'S IN THE SONG, LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH, > AND LET IT BEGIN WITH ME. > > Mel Barger > ______________________________ > > From: "Jan L. Robinson" > (jbaldwin at imbris.com) > > The only one that I know is a song "Let there be > peace on earth and let it begin with me." > > Jan > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3435. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ebby T. Letter (1962) From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/12/2006 2:09:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear Friends, You can view an actual photocopy of Ebby's 1962 letter and envelope at www.4dgroups.org -- click Download/links, then documents. Bob S., from Indiana )))))))))))))))) --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lash wrote:
> > Envelope Postage Stamp: > Delmar N.Y. > January 23, 1962 > 9 AM >
> E.T.Thacher > #1 Oakwood Place > Delmar, N.Y. > U.S.A.
> > Envelope To: > Mr. B Whitney Hillmer, Harbour Master, > 217 Essex Street > Sarnia, Ontario > Canada
> > Letter: > c/o K.R.Thacher > #1 Oakwood Place > Delmar, N.Y. > > January 22, 1962 > > Dear Whit- > > Thanks for your Christmas card and I am sure you would have rec'd one from > me, except that on Dec.5th, last, I was "took" with pneumonia and > hospitalized until the 15th in Dallas. From there to a clinic for > convalescence until Dec. 27th, when I took a plane for N.Y. City. The
> latter because the medicos said I would not be fit to work for some time,
> and without employment I could not very well stick around Dallas. Good old
> Bill Wilson met me at the airport and I spent a few days with the Wilsons in > their home in Bedford Hills, then on here. > > Delmar is a suburb of Albany, which city is my birthplace and where I was > "brung up". It's a lot different after 24 yrs. absence! > > I am feeling better, and just now getting my legs back under me. I have no > plans as yet, just trying to take it, day at a time,-and I assure you I > never have been too good at that sort of thing, but we'll give it a whirl. > > Enclosed, two snaps, all I could find but you are welcome,- they are pretty > bad, both taken in Dallas in '54. I unearthed them from a large folder I > was able to salvage, the afternoon I cleaned my room, the day prior to my > departure. > > Take it easy,-and keep those ships moving. > > All the best > Ebby > (Ebwin T. Thacher) >
From: khemex@comcast.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/11/2006 11:32:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Was it a gold ring which he was given, or a wrist watch? A GOLD RING: from khemex@comcast.net (khemex at comcast.net) A few years ago I had the pleasure of going to Wilson House in East Dorset Vermont while I was in the neighborhood on business (an account of this, in detail, was posted by Nancy a year or two ago on this site). At that time they
had on display, in the library, a first edition Big Book opened at that page,
and next to that sentence was a pair of reading glasses (I suppose Bill's) with
a gold ring with an inscription from his unit in the artillery battery during WW I which I was led to believe was the token of appreciation that Bill was referring to. I'm not sure if it's still there and on display, maybe someone who's been there recently can confirm.
Gerry W.
______________________________ A WRIST WATCH: from gary lockhart (garylock7008 at yahoo.ca) Hi - Gary from Canada - Down at the Wilson House in East Dorset Vermont, there is a wrist watch, to Bill W. from his troops. There is a neat history to go with that watch. It was turned over by relatives a few years ago. ______________________________ From: "jim_011591" (jim_011591 at yahoo.com) They gave him a watch. ______________________________ From: Tom Hickcox (cometkazie1 at cox.net) I was in the Army during the Cuban Missile Crisis and it was a long-established custom to bestow a token of appreciation on officers and senior enlisted men when they left the unit. For us lieutenants it was usually a Zippo cigarette lighter with the regimental crest and a certificate of appreciation signed by the officers of the battalion. This general custom seems to have gone back to Bill's day. Tommy H in Baton Rouge IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3437. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Dr. Bob''s Sobriety date From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/13/2006 10:23:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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