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less than a year, she wrote a short piece for the first issue of this magazine, in June 1944 (she was then known as Felicia G.). Over the years, she wrote a number of articles for the Grapevine and worked for a time, without pay, reading and editing manuscripts. During the 1970s, she was active on the Grapevine's Editorial Advisory Board. Felicia has written both novels and nonfiction. She published several novels while she was still drinking, as recounted in the Big Book. She said, "Of course I used to write when I was drunk--my writing was quite a mess. Since getting sober, I've written some things I'm not ashamed of." How did she
write her Big Book story? "I was down in Florida, and it just came out--I
didn't correct at all; it just poured out of me." "My life," Felicia said, "is so much better in sobriety. The main thing is that I believe in God and I can appeal to him and I can get results." She
added, "If I hadn't stopped drinking, I'd be dead: if you had buried me with
an acorn in my mouth, I'd have raised an oak tree by now." One of the benefits of Felicia's sobriety is that she and her family were able to make amends. "The thing that I'm very happy about is that I was able to make friends with my mother before her death. We forgave each other. My daughter and I didn't get along for quite a while but now we're really good friends--and I get on with my four grandchildren. I've gone out to Wyoming to see them, and they've been back East. And this is all because of my being sober. I can look back six generations in my family and see only fighting and hatred, and now it's stopped. I go back and pray for my fighting antecedents! I think that's why I was put here--to put an end to the whole business of discord in my family, to break the cycle."
live
a happy life in that way. I hope that in the next world, I can do it." The process of change hasn't stopped simply because Felicia has been sober so long. She tries to go to a meeting a week, and she stopped smoking "fairly recently." She still battles what she called in the Big Book "my
mortal enemy--the inner me." She said, "I've always had trouble with my
temper and with speaking out. I remember Bill had a room in the old Hell's Kitchen clubhouse on Forty-Fifth Street, and one day over there I lost my temper and I went for this woman--actually went for her. She started crying and Bill just comforted her and said nothing to me. I was very ashamed. Oh! I still remember it. I need the 'soft word that turneth away wrath.' I'm still working on that. I'm trying to learn to be tolerant and understanding of those who differ with me."
I can say. I can only tell you the difference between then and now: I have a belief in God. My life is happy." FELICIA M. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3512. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Story Author Interview (2 of 4)
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2006 12:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII To Bill Lash et al: I appreciate your sending us this interview with Felicia. I had interviewed her in 1980 in the same little home described here and also had correspondence with her. She was, indeeed, one of the key persons who helped get the Grapevine off to a good start. Her first husband had been a very prominent columnist and her mother had been a well-known and very controversial owner of newspapers, although I don't think there was much of the fortune left by the time I interviewed Felicia. My impression was that she just had enough income to get by but was grateful for her cozy little home and what she had found in AA. Despite frequent bouts with depression, she was a good AA and represented the fellowship well. Mel Barger ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lash" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Big Book Story Author Interview (2 of 4) > Interview With the Author of "Stars Don't Fall" > Second in a series of articles on authors of Big Book stories > AA Grapevine, August 1995 > > Felicia M. is eighty-nine years old and has been sober for over fifty-one > years; she joined the Fellowship in the fall of 1943, when it was only > eight > years old. Her story, "Stars Don't Fall," is in the Third Edition of the > Big
> Book. > > On a clear cold afternoon last January, the managing editor of the > Grapevine > and an editorial assistant drove up to the small town in Connecticut where > Felicia M. lives. We found her modest house on a quiet back lane. Several > big evergreens were in the front yard; in the backyard, a bird feeder hung > from a bare tree. Inside, her house was cozy. A whole row of cookbooks > filled a shelf over the kitchen door. The walls were hung with > pictures--western scenes with men and women on horseback, a painting by a > grandson, a large oil by a well-known abstract painter of the nineteen > fifties, and some watercolors by Felicia herself, who began painting > during
> one period when she couldn't write (Felicia is a professional writer). The
> three of us sat in Felicia's small book-lined living room, where the > winter
> light filtered through the draperies, and Felicia served us coffee and > cookies as we talked about AA and her recovery from alcoholism. > > In her Big Book story, Felicia tells about the turbulent times of her > drinking: from her chauffeured "self-guided" tour of Europe's wine
> countries > to being the down-and-out habitué of a Greenwich Village bar, where the > other customers took to moving their stools to avoid her. Drinking wasn't > a
> pleasant experience for her; it was, she wrote, like getting a "tap on the > head with a small mallet." Felicia told us, "I had low self-esteem and > behaved accordingly--and so of course I got into trouble all the time."
> Her > analyst was one of the earliest members of the psychiatric profession to > learn about Alcoholics Anonymous; Felicia explained, "Bill had addressed a > bunch of shrinks, you see, and my analyst heard him. She said to me, > 'You've > been coming here either drunk or hungover for a year. And I think these > people have something.'" The psychiatrist gave Felicia the Big Book to
> read > and sent her to meet a man named "Mr. W." > > Bill W. suggested that Felicia meet Marty M., the first woman to get--and > stay--sober in AA. Marty became Felicia's sponsor: "She was my sponsor > until
> the day she died. I still miss her very much." When Felicia was sober less > than a year, she wrote a short piece for the first issue of this magazine, > in June 1944 (she was then known as Felicia G.). Over the years, she wrote
> a > number of articles for the Grapevine and worked for a time, without pay, > reading and editing manuscripts. During the 1970s, she was active on the > Grapevine's Editorial Advisory Board. > > Felicia has written both novels and nonfiction. She published several > novels > while she was still drinking, as recounted in the Big Book. She said, "Of > course I used to write when I was drunk--my writing was quite a mess. > Since > getting sober, I've written some things I'm not ashamed of." How did she > write her Big Book story? "I was down in Florida, and it just came out--I > didn't correct at all; it just poured out of me." > > "My life," Felicia said, "is so much better in sobriety. The main thing is > that I believe in God and I can appeal to him and I can get results." She > added, "If I hadn't stopped drinking, I'd be dead: if you had buried me > with
> an acorn in my mouth, I'd have raised an oak tree by now." > > One of the benefits of Felicia's sobriety is that she and her family were > able to make amends. "The thing that I'm very happy about is that I was > able
> to make friends with my mother before her death. We forgave each other. My > daughter and I didn't get along for quite a while but now we're really > good > friends--and I get on with my four grandchildren. I've gone out to Wyoming > to see them, and they've been back East. And this is all because of my > being > sober. I can look back six generations in my family and see only fighting > and hatred, and now it's stopped. I go back and pray for my fighting > antecedents! I think that's why I was put here--to put an end to the whole
> business of discord in my family, to break the cycle." > > Are there any regrets? "I didn't marry the right man. I wasn't able to > live
> a happy life in that way. I hope that in the next world, I can do it."
> > The process of change hasn't stopped simply because Felicia has been sober > so long. She tries to go to a meeting a week, and she stopped smoking > "fairly recently." She still battles what she called in the Big Book "my > mortal enemy--the inner me." She said, "I've always had trouble with my > temper and with speaking out. I remember Bill had a room in the old Hell's
> Kitchen clubhouse on Forty-Fifth Street, and one day over there I lost my > temper and I went for this woman--actually went for her. She started > crying > and Bill just comforted her and said nothing to me. I was very ashamed. > Oh! > I still remember it. I need the 'soft word that turneth away wrath.' I'm > still working on that. I'm trying to learn to be tolerant and > understanding > of those who differ with me." > > As we were preparing to leave, Felicia told us, "I don't know what more I > can say. I can only tell you the difference between then and now: I have a > belief in God. My life is happy." > > FELICIA M. > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 11:57:29 AM ET - 6/25/2006 >
++++Message 3513. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Story Author Interview (2 of 4)
From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2006 7:18:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A Weird Story of Research About Felicia __________________________________ Many thanks to Bill Lash for sharing the interview of Felicia. I wish AAHistoryLovers had existed when Dave and I were researching and writing Marty Mann's biography! We never came across this interview. And if we'd even known Bill Lash's name, you can bet we'd have interviewed him. In fact, we had a lot of trouble locating information about Felicia. People kept telling us we should try to interview her, but no one could give us an address or even approximate location. We did find out that Felicia was related to the McCormick publishing family of Chicago. So, in 1998, fairly early in our national research, we were browsing through the McCormick Room of Chicago's main library, and I came across a book with a family tree pictured. To our great disappointment, Felicia was designated as having died some years previously. "Well, that's that," we thought. Later on, a biography of Cissy Patterson, Felicia's mother and also the famous publisher of the Washington Times, made us realize that Felicia's own daughter, Ellen, might have some stories about HER mother. But again, we had no idea where Ellen lived. However, Ellen had married into a Washington, DC legal family named Arnold.
that a legal firm with the name "Arnold" in it was often in the Washington Post. "Maybe," I thought, "it's the same Arnold." On a whim, I called Washington Information, and asked, rather diffidently, if there was such a legal firm. To my surprise, the answer was immediately "Yes, and here's the
number." Guess Washington Information gets more than one request for that
number! When I rang the offices, I was promptly connected to a lovely, very accommodating and knowledgeable woman who knew all the partners. She didn't have Ellen's address in California, but she had the names and addresses of Ellen's three sons, Felicia's grandsons, in Wyoming. I randomly picked one, Joe Arnold, in Laramie, hoping he could lead me to his mother.
for some stories about Felicia - and how sorry I was that Felicia had died. Joe asked, "Would you like to speak with her?" I nearly passed out! Felicia hadn't died at all. She was residing in Laramie in a gracious retirement home with assisted living. Her grandsons, who adored her, had moved her there the previous year because she had become too frail to live on her own in the CT home Bill Lash described. That book in the McCormick Room was all wet! It was an important early lesson to us to check and double-check all our facts. For the rest of the story, see our web site below. We are forever grateful to Joe Arnold and his wife's wonderful hospitality on my whirlwind trip to Laramie. Through him, we did indeed connect by phone with Ellen, but she had no information about Felicia beyond what we already knew. Shalom - Sally Rev Sally Brown coauthor: A Biography of Mrs. Marty Mann Board Certified Clinical Chaplain The First Lady of Alcoholics Anonymous United Church of Christ
1470 Sand Hill Road, 309 Palo Alto, CA 94304 Phone/Fax: 650 325 5258 Email: rev.sally@att.net
From: anders bystrom . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 8:24:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hiya group! Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives, but
havent had any luck, so here goes... does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women? mucho love from Sweden! Anders
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3515. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 10:14:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII There are lots of lists out there regarding the so-called "first one-hundred" in AA. Many of these lists are lacking in accuracy, many leave out obvious names and some leave out certain segments of either NYC or the Akron/Cleveland area.
members I've spoken with have told me that when Bill decided to make that magical number up, he not only included the spouses who also attended (at least in the Akron/Cleveland area) but he also embellished the truth by making it a nice round number. I guess it wouldn't sound quite impressive if Bill wrote 63 members and some of their spouses. (note: the 63 number was an arbitrary one and in no way should be taken as an actual count of members) Shakey Mike from Philly showed me a list of the "first" 200 something members and there were many glaring omissions from that list. I've seen other lists, Richard K. and others. None can be accurate. --- anders bystrom > Hiya group! > > Ive been searching an answer to my question in > this gruop’s archives, but havent had any luck, so > here goes... > > does anyone know where i can find the names of the > first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of > them were men and how many women? > > mucho love from Sweden! > Anders > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3516. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 10:02:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The list of 200 I gave to Mitchell K. was given to me by Harry the Wino,(dos 11/59) my sponsor. It is labeled the 1st 200 AA's. It only includes Bill W from NY and several others from the mid west. the rest are all from Ohio. So,
it may be a list of the 1st 200 who were from the Akron, Cleveland and Columbus meetings. Fitz , Hank, Chrys, Bert T and Jimmy are not listed. Jimmy Burwell mentions that when the "first 100" was written by Bill that" there were 100 men and women coming and going, mainly going." Maybe Jimmy's
history of AA is a better representation of How it Was, than was previously thought. Just because its listed in AA Conference approved literature doesn't make it necessarily so. As people get older their recollections of what and when get distorted and, as we all know, Bill W took poetic license to make a point.
Yours in Service Shakey Mike G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3517. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 2:13:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Anders, I do know that the names of the authors of the Big Book's first edition are bouncing around somewhere, and I'm sure somebody will send them. Of course there are not 100, although it's believed that at least this number could be called sober by the time the Book was published in April 1939. There was only one woman and she did not stay sober, although her story was pretty good and served its purpose. My wife and I are going to Kolding, Denmark, this week, where I'll be doing some AA sessions this Saturday, July 1st, at the request of Bent C. Do the Swedes ever visit the Danes? Please send me your Snail Mail address and I'll send you that Big Book list if I can find it. All the best, Mel
----- Original Message ----- From: "anders bystrom" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred Hiya group! Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives, but
havent had any luck, so here goes... does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women? mucho love from Sweden! Anders
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From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 2:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Folks, Mitch is right; there are no definitive lists of the first 100. But I do think it's safe to say that there might have been at least 100 by the time the Big Book came off the press. I went to my first AA meeting in California in early October, 1948, although I didn't start establishing continuous sobiety for another year and a half. The third member I met was a man named Eddie McCann who had moved out there from Akron. He had nine years by then. I was thrilled to find his name in that list of 200 which is floating around, though I don't have a copy. It listed him as living in a hotel in Akron. He was a very good AA in Ventura, Calif., and I've often wondered what happened to him. Mel Barger ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell K." To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred > There are lots of lists out there regarding the > so-called "first one-hundred" in AA. Many of these > lists are lacking in accuracy, many leave out obvious > names and some leave out certain segments of either > NYC or the Akron/Cleveland area. > > There is no definitive first 100 list. Many long term > members I've spoken with have told me that when Bill > decided to make that magical number up, he not only > included the spouses who also attended (at least in > the Akron/Cleveland area) but he also embellished the > truth by making it a nice round number. I guess it > wouldn't sound quite impressive if Bill wrote 63 > members and some of their spouses. (note: the 63 > number was an arbitrary one and in no way should be > taken as an actual count of members) > > Shakey Mike from Philly showed me a list of the > "first" 200 something members and there were many > glaring omissions from that list. I've seen other > lists, Richard K. and others. None can be accurate. > > > > --- anders bystrom > >> Hiya group! >> >> Ive been searching an answer to my question in >> this gruop’s archives, but havent had any luck, so >> here goes... >> >> does anyone know where i can find the names of the >> first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of >> them were men and how many women? >> >> mucho love from Sweden! >> Anders >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 12:36:16 PM ET - 6/26/2006 >
From: Kimball . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 7:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Jim Burwell had indicated in "THE VICIOUS CYCLE" that the AA literature committee had a sum population of 60 at the time of the writing of the Big Book. That seems like
a likely number. If Bill said 100 and Jim said 60, then that leaves 40 non-authors in surrounding areas (Youngstown, Detroit, Buffalo, New Jersey, etc.)
simpler;
we had a definite formula that some sixty of us agreed was the middle course for
all alcoholics who wanted sobriety, and that formula has not been changed one iota down
through the years. I would be interested in the list of authors. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Barger To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred
I do know that the names of the authors of the Big Book's first edition are bouncing around somewhere, and I'm sure somebody will send them. Of course there are not 100, although it's believed that at least this number could be called sober by the time the Book was published in April 1939. There was only one woman and she did not stay sober, although her story was pretty good and served its purpose. My wife and I are going to Kolding, Denmark, this week, where I'll be doing some AA sessions this Saturday, July 1st, at the request of Bent C. Do the Swedes ever visit the Danes? Please send me your Snail Mail address and I'll send you that Big Book list if I can find it. All the best, Mel
----- Original Message ----- From: "anders bystrom" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred Hiya group! Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives, but
havent had any luck, so here goes... does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women? mucho love from Sweden! Anders
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From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2006 4:39:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a question, largely based upon reading Ebby: The Man Who Sponsored Bill W. by Mel B. The book indicates that Ebby appeared before Cebra's father, Judge Graves, and was told that he "was due back in Bennington for trial Monday morning" (p. 57). Was Judge Graves the same judge on Monday who "gave Ebby a lecture" and then released him to Rowland? I've searched through previous posts and haven't found an answer to this question.
Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3521. . . . . . . . . . . . Does anyone have information on a mr coxe-
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2006 6:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Looking for information on a Mr. Coxe (in AA before 9/1940)his sponsor is referred to as only D. Is this possibly Capt Coxe 1938, April Capt. Coxe NY Unknown ... is a listing in AA chronology The Name is found in a big red. yours in service Shakey Mike G
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2006 9:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Which are The Forgotten Steps? I am told they are six and seven, but a search on the Grapevine's digital archives turns up an article from the June 1952 issue and it's on Steps Eight and Nine.
and I understand it was on Steps Eight and Nine? Any help out there? Tommy H IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3523. . . . . . . . . . . . Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: sobermuse123@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2006 10:41:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII My Saturday Morning Meeting is an As Bill Sees It Group, and today, we read p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses information directly from the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published sources, I am wondering what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is. I've not heard of it, and I am reasonably familiar with most AA literature... Anyone out there with information on this??? Many thanks, Jeanne M. dos 1-23-81 Concord, NH
From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:14:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Jeanne wrote . The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication entitled "AA Today".
printing there were after 1979. Jim
From: John Wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:10:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA Today is a Grapevine book published in 1960 which contains many articles. It was presented at the 2nd International Convention in Long Beach, California.
From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:11:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Jeanne wrote The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication entitled "AA Today".
articles to celebrate 25 years of AA. Jim
From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 4:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA Today was a special publication of the AA Grapevine commemorating the 25th Anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous which first went on sale at the 1960 International Convention at Long Beach. My copy is the sixth printing from 1988. The booklet is 111 pp., 8 1/2 x 11, and contains, besides pieces by Bill and other members (only Bill's have a byline), remarks by Dr. Ruth Fox, Dr. Karl Menninger, E. M. Jellinek, Dr. Adele Streeseman, Dr. William Bauer, Father Ed Dowling, Reinhold Niebuhr, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Rev. Kenneth Naylor, Aldous Huxley, Warden Clinton Duffy, several public figures including Sen. Margaret Chase Smith, and Ivan Underwood. None of the pieces is very long, as might be expected from the fact that there are 43 contributions plus pages printing the 12 Steps and the 12 Traditions, all in 111 pages. -- Jared Lobdell
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:10:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA TODAY IS "A SPECIAL GRAPEVINE PUBLICATION" IT COMMEMORATES THE 25 TH
ANNIVERSARY OF AA. IT WAS 1ST AVAILABLE IN 1960 IN LONG BEACH , CALIF. ADVANCE
ORDERS SOLD OUT AND A 2ND PRINTING WAS ORDERED. IT SOLD OUT IN 1964.IT WAS THEN
UNAVAILABLE.THE 1979 GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE APPROAVED A REPRINT PROJECT. NOTHING IN IT HAS CHANGED AND IT REFLECTS AA AS IT WAS IN 1990. YOURS IN SERVICE, SHAKEY MIKE GWIRTZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3529. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Forgotten Steps From: Bruce A. Johanson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 4:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Father Pfau (sp?) or Father John Does' Golden Books Steps six and seven: The forgotten steps. Bruce Johanson "The truth never harmed anyone - but it frequently hurts when it conflicts with our old ideas. The truth will set you free - right after it makes you madder than hell." _____ From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hickcox Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:05 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The Forgotten Steps
search on the Grapevine's digital archives turns up an article from the June 1952 issue and it's on Steps Eight and Nine.
and I understand it was on Steps Eight and Nine? Any help out there? Tommy H __________ NOD32 1.1636 (20060701) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3530. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 10:39:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA Today was a special publication by The Grapevine, Inc. celebrating AA's 25th Anniversary. There were both a hard cover and soft bound edition. The original was published in 1960 and was available at the International in Long Beach, California. Copies are available for sale sometimes on eBay and from rare book dealers.
> Group, and today, we read > p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is > attributed to a publication > entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses > information directly from > the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published > sources, I am wondering > what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is. > I've not heard of it, and I am > reasonably familiar with most AA literature... > > Anyone out there with information on this??? > > Many thanks, > > Jeanne M. > dos 1-23-81 > Concord, NH > >
> removed] > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3531. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: Maria Hoffman . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:48:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In answer to Jeannes' question of AA Today, Strangely enough I had exactly the same question, until I looked on my own library shelves!! In 1960 the AA Grapevine published AA today - A special publication by the AA Grapevine committee commemorating th e 25th Anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous. It is a wonderful collection of many delightful articles and pictures, by Bill W. and many of our Non Alcoholic friends. It is an 81/2 x 11 Aqua cloth covered hard back . Maria Hoffman - District 1 - Archives committ3eeSouth Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: sobermuse123@aol.com To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"
p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses information directly from the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published sources, I am wondering what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is. I've not heard of it, and I am reasonably familiar with most AA literature... Anyone out there with information on this??? Many thanks, Jeanne M. dos 1-23-81 Concord, NH
From: Rick Clowater . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 1:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some other
members of the group have. Fiona My First Post How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY DAYS" come about? Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide? Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this. Rick (Ottawa, Canada) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3533. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 3:09:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA Today" is often quoted as opining that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect of (the 20th) century". But no-one has ever been able to tell me the original primary source of this quotation. Can you help? Go well, Laurie A. >From: Jim B >Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" >Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400 > >Jeanne wrote >. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication >entitled "AA Today". > >My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many other >printing there were after 1979. >Jim
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++++Message 3534. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: Tom White . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 1:44:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching, is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite it. Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly book so he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of "My First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS had not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my impressions. Tom W.
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>> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"
>> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400 >> >> Jeanne wrote >> . The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication >> entitled "AA Today". >> >> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many >> other >> printing there were after 1979. >> Jim >>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3535. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 30 Day Readings? From: John Seibert . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 4:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my sponsor told me that if I read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year. If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing) You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our program.
John S. Nashville TN _____ From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
other members of the group have. Fiona My First Post How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY DAYS" come about? Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide? Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this. Rick (Ottawa, Canada) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3536. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 6:36:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII But that's not the primary source. Thomsen wrote: "Aldous Huxley had called
Bill the greatest social architect of the 20th century..." But when did Huxley say or write it? Thomsen is simply quoting Huxley. Laurie A. (Jenny is my Al-Anon wife!)
>Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:44:16 -0500 > >I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching, >is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert >Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite it. >Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in >the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his >text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill >for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his >sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly book so >he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only >ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd >say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of "My >First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS had
>not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my >impressions. Tom W. > >On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:09 AM, jenny andrews wrote: > > > Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA Today" is often quoted > > as opining > > that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect of (the 20th) > > century". But > > no-one has ever been able to tell me the original primary source of > > this > > quotation. Can you help? > > Go well, > > Laurie A. > >
> > > >> From: Jim B > >> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > >> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"
> >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400 > >>
> >> Jeanne wrote > >> . The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication > >> entitled "AA Today". > >> > >> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many > >> other > >> printing there were after 1979. > >> Jim
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++++Message 3537. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 30 Day Readings? From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 9:08:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII A friend of mine from years ago told me that he had sponsees read a step out of the 12n12 everyday for 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He explained he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a rehab he went to in Pennsylvannia. I might be wrong about the name but that is his story where he picked it up. Does this sound famaliar to anyone? Wonder where these silly ideas come from? `````scratching my head````` Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: John Seibert To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year. If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing) You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our program.
John S. Nashville TN _____ From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
other members of the group have. Fiona My First Post How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY DAYS" come about? Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide? Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this. Rick (Ottawa, Canada) .
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3539. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 30 Day Readings? From: Bruce A. Johanson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 2:38:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The only 30 day reading I ever heard or read about was what Dr. Bob would often recommend his new guys or pigeons to read. He would have them read William Henry Drummonds " The Greatest Thing In The World" based on the Book of Corinthians dealing with love every day for 30 days. It fits quite nicely with the Absolute of Love. Bruce Johanson "The truth never harmed anyone - but it frequently hurts when it conflicts with our old ideas. The truth will set you free - right after it makes you madder than hell." _____ From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Lawyer Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:09 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
of the 12n12 everyday for 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He explained he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a rehab he went to in Pennsylvannia. I might be wrong about the name but that is his story where he picked it up. Does this sound famaliar to anyone?
From: John Seibert To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings? I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my sponsor told me that if I read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year. If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing) You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our program.
John S. Nashville TN _____ From: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@ yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings? Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some other members of the group have. Fiona My First Post How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY DAYS" come about? Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide? Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this. Rick (Ottawa, Canada) .
__________ NOD32 1.1643 (20060704) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3540. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 4:20:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This was a thread here in 2003 and 2005 and at other times. Other than RT, I know of no one who has found a shred of evidence where Huxley wrote or said that remark. It has been quoted hundreds of times attributing Huxley with no documentation other than RT's book. It's kind of like the attribution of the Contempt Prior To Investigation quote to Spencer. Everyone quotes it but no one knew where it came from originally.
> "Aldous Huxley had called > Bill the greatest social architect of the 20th > century..." But when did > Huxley say or write it? Thomsen is simply quoting > Huxley. > Laurie A. (Jenny is my Al-Anon wife!) > > > >From: Tom White > >Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > >To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill > Sees It" > >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:44:16 -0500 > > > >I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after > some searching, > >is that the original of that quote from Huxley > appeared in Robert > >Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. > Subsequent users cite it. > >Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated > closely with Bill in > >the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in > mind, and his > >text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on > conversations with Bill > >for source. It would have helped if RT had included > some notes on his > >sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than > scholarly book so > >he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s > practically the only > >ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, > Nell Wing, and I'd > >say Lois, since I have always supposed she released > the text of "My > >First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of > frustration that AAWS had > >not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this > lightly; just my > >impressions. Tom W. > > > >On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:09 AM, jenny andrews wrote: > > > > > Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA > Today" is often quoted > > > as opining > > > that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect > of (the 20th) > > > century". But > > > no-one has ever been able to tell me the > original primary source of > > > this > > > quotation. Can you help? > > > Go well, > > > Laurie A. > > >
> > > > > >> From: Jim B > > >> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > > >> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > > >> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As > Bill Sees It" > > >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400 > > >>
> > >> Jeanne wrote > > >> . The second paragraph on that page is > attributed to a publication > > >> entitled "AA Today". > > >> > > >> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I > don't know how many > > >> other > > >> printing there were after 1979. > > >> Jim > > >> > > >>
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> > > > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3541. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 30 Day Readings? From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 4:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII That is quite possible. Chit Chat or Caron Foundation in Wernersville, PA still exists. Like most things now accepted as gospel in AA never originated in AA but in the treatment industry. The 90/90, 30 days, disease concept..... lots of non-AA topics and practices which are now part and parcel of AA. > A friend of mine from years ago told me that he had > sponsees read a step out of the 12n12 everyday for > 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He > explained he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a > rehab he went to in Pennsylvannia. I might be wrong > about the name but that is his story where he picked > it up. Does this sound famaliar to anyone? > > Wonder where these silly ideas come from? > `````scratching my head````` > > Jay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Seibert > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM > Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings? > >
> I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my > sponsor told me that if I > read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single > piece of paper.) I will > read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days > or four times per year. > If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 > years at this writing) > You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" > of our program. > > Service is Love, > > John S. > Nashville TN > > _____ > > From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Rick Clowater > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings? > > Have certainly never heard it here in the west of > Ireland but perhaps some > other members of the group have. > > Fiona
> > My First Post > > How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR > THIRTY DAYS" come about? > > Does anyone know the history of this and is it done > worldwide? > > Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even > history of this. > > Rick (Ottawa, Canada) > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > >
++++Message 3542. . . . . . . . . . . . Hi all From: newnanight1963 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 4:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Opps this may be a repeat , sorry. I am new to this group and looking for some information. I am looking for a book, an autobiography that my stepdad wrote regarding his 40 years as a skid row wino. Title: One's Too Many and a Thousand's Not Enough Author: Frank Wallaston Year : 1979 Publisher (this may be a vanity publisher not sure) Libra I have managed to find this book in two libraries in Butte County California but can;t seem to be able to find a copy I can buy. I am newly sober (2 months) and know Franks book would add to my incentive in my new journey. Unfortunately Frank died(drunk and alone after 20 years sober) a couple years ago and I lost my copy of the book years ago ,,,if anyone can help I would be forever grateful. Thanks
Tanya IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3543. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: My first forty years From: Bob Wilson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 5:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Art, Amazon has this one -- which I was not aware of till I looked. It's apparently by Bill. Bill W. : My First 40 Years - An Autobiography ISBN 1568383738 Here's another one I didn't know anything about, an "authorized biography": http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/amazon/books/alcohol-abuse/the-lois-wilson-sto ry-w\
Sorry if this info is way off the track. Best, Bob W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Boudreault To: AA History Lovers Cc: tomwhite@cableone.net Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] My first forty years Dear Tom, I am interested in learning about and obtaining this book. I was unaware of the book "My First 40 Years" by Lois. It is not mentioned in "Lois Remembers" or "First Steps, Al-Anon ... Thirty Five Years of Beginnings", both sold by Al-Anon's World Service Office. I did a search on Hazelden's book section and on http://used.addall.com/, a used book site, for this book. It is amazing how many titles there are with those words, but none about Lois. Can you let me know how to find such a book?
by Al-Anon's World Service Office. According to the person hired by Al-Anon to ghost-write the book for Lois, she wasn't allowed to write it for Lois. AA World Services paid for and hired the ghost writer. Sincerely, Art Boudreault artb@netwiz.net > 2b. Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It" > Posted by: "Tom White" tomwhite@cableone.net > Date: Mon Jul 3, 2006 1:41 pm (PDT) > > I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching, > is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert > Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite it. > Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in > the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his > text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill > for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his > sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly book so > he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only > ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd > say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of "My > First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS had > not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my > impressions. Tom W.
From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/5/2006 11:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello AA History Lover Readers.... Please note that the Bourchert book noted below, "The Lois Wilson Story, When Love Is Not Enough" contains several factual errors. I know this because as a boy (1932-33) I lived in places spoken of in that book (e.g. Manchester, Vermont in the house owned by Lois's father...the Camp on Emerald Lake owned by Dr. Burnham... Burr and Burton Seminary where my mother was a classmate of Bill Wilson... etc. etc.) I am a native Vermonter. I have informed the Publisher, and Stepping Stones Foundation, of these inaccuracies and have been informed that corrections will be made in the next printing. If you are reading the First Printing, or the web site advertizing the book, be aware that there are many factual errors in the First printing and
in the advertizing. I was very surprised to see so much poor research by an acclaimed auther (Bourchert) who also produced the movie "My Name Is Bill W". If anyone on this web wishes a copy of my findings, I'd be glad to share them
with you if you send me your E-Mail address. All my best, Les Cole, Colorado Springs, CO elsietwo@msn.com From: Bob Wilson Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] My first forty years Art, Amazon has this one -- which I was not aware of till I looked. It's apparently by Bill. Bill W. : My First 40 Years - An Autobiography ISBN 1568383738 Here's another one I didn't know anything about, an "authorized biography": http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/amazon/books/alcohol-abuse/the-lois-wilson-sto ry-w\
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