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idea and threatened, unsuccessfully, to secede. He criticized Bill and the 'New York office' vitriolically at every opportunity. Bill steadfastly refused to hold a grudge against him and in their correspondence 'used soft words to turn away wrath.'
they actually spent several hours together, reminiscing. However, Clarence, a popular speaker on the Steps and the recovery program, continued to raise hackles wherever he appeared by calling press conferences in which he was photographed full face with his full name, holding the Big Book which he claimed he wrote, and identifying himself as the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. He asserted he was not bound by AA's Traditions because they were written later - and written by Bill. Clarence S moved to Florida in retirement, where he remained extremely active until his death in 1984." Bob P also wrote: "Bill had some underlying reasons for his intense interest in archival matters, beyond that expressed in AA Comes of Age namely, so that 'the basic facts of AA's growth and development never can become distorted.' By 1955, the facts were already being distorted by Clarence S and other oldtimers who were attempting to undermine Bill's place in AA's history. So Bill wanted the records available. Also Bill was visionary; he saw the sweep and scope of the Fellowship he had helped found and foresaw its significance as a social movement to be studied by future historians."
Akron, and 'Alcoholics Anonymous,' favored by most in New York. Bill asked Fitz M, who lived near Washington, DC, to check both titles through the library of congress. Fitz wired back to the effect that the Library of Congress had 25 books entitled 'The Way Out,' 12 entitled 'The Way,' and none called 'Alcoholics Anonymous.' That settled the matter. The title of the book quickly became the name of the Fellowship as well. Clarence S later called himself the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, basing his claim on his being the first to use the name for a group. Which he probably was. But the fact is, the book Alcoholics Anonymous was already off the press, and the name had been used a year earlier to refer to the Fellowship as a whole." Other evidence of the use of the name "Alcoholics Anonymous" occurred
well-prior to the founding of the first Cleveland group: The GSO archives contains an undated 1938 letter (estimated between April-June and cited in "Not God") in which Bill W informed Dr Bob that he had dictated and mimeographed two chapters of the proposed book. Bill stated that he felt that "the completed book should represent the works of many people; particularly the individual stories." Bill W wrote "My feeling is that Anne should do the one portraying the wife of an alcoholic." Later in the long letter Bill wrote "By the way, you might all be thinking up a good title. Nearly everyone agrees that we should sign the volume "Alcoholics Anonymous." Titles such as Haven, One Hundred Men, Comes the Dawn, etc. have been suggested." Bill also asked Dr Bob "What would you think about the formation of a charitable corporation to be called, let us say, "Alcoholics Anonymous?" (re GSO Archives letter "Alco. Fd." R-28 Bx 59, Not God pgs 74-75, 333). June 15, 1938 - Lois W's recollection of the first use of the term "Alcoholics Anonymous." (re Lois Remembers pg 197) Early 1939 - a prospectus titled "Alcoholics Anonymous" referred to the Fellowship as "Alcoholics Anonymous" prior to publication of the Big Book. It contained the following excerpts which have been joined together and are separated by ellipses:
proven by the type of men that make up Alcoholics Anonymous ." "The first step has been the establishment of a trust known as The Alcoholic Foundation. This trust is administered by a board of three well-known business men who are non-alcoholics and by two members of Alcoholics Anonymous.." "The publishing of this book, to be known as "One Hundred Men" is the subject of the attached material ." "(Ten chapters have now been written)". "It is an indisputable fact that over the past four years over one-hundred true alcoholics have recovered, who from the standpoint of medicine and psychiatry, were considered hopeless. These men have dubbed themselves Alcoholics Anonymous ..." "The name Alcoholics Anonymous has been adopted because of the nature of the work, because of the desire to keep away from notoriety, and because the work is strictly non-sectarian." (re copy of Prospectus GSO Archives document - "Alco. Fd." R-28 Bx 59)
shape the impression I have of Clarence S and it is substantiated by many independent and unambiguous sources. It is a result of study and correlation of evidence - not "resentments, being closed minded and misquoting." Your message might suggest a case of "physician heal thyself."
Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell K. Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:55 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Clarence did not write program for 1st Internat'l Conf. Talk about resentments, being closed minded and misquoting. Clarence had nothing to do with the writing of the program for that event. The Stanley brothers were pretty much in charge. Art says "This was all part of Clarence Snyder's claim..." Again Art - CLARENCE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WRITING OF THE PROGRAM - THE FINAL COPY, THE DRAFT COPY OR THE TENTATIVE COPY! Clarence also never claimed that the Goldrick Group was the first to use the TERM Alcoholics Anonymous to describe itself. There is NO evidence or documentation (maybe there is now, like the so-called loaner stamp on the multilith which was never there before) showing where gatherings of members of the Fellowship called these meetings Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. Clarence called the meeting itself an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting after the book of the same name - he wasn't referring to the Fellowship or the book or the foundation but specifically the MEETING. NOWHERE in the archives (unless it was recently manufactured) is there a reference to holding an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting where a bunch of members met to share their experience, strength and hope.
Anonymous was ever called AA prior to Clarence using that term. Nell Wing said that Clarence was the first to use the initials AA as a description of Alcoholics Anonymous. Ergo...Clarence was the founder of AA (not Alcoholics Anonymous but the term AA). Cheers Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3712. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Is AAWS tightening up restrictions on reprinting? From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/17/2006 1:18:00 PM
The sourcing protocol for AAWS has not changed from what's in the AA Service Manual and no 2006 decisions by the AA General Service Board have added any new restrictions. The objections from members of the Fellowship would be immediate, because such decisions bypass the General Service Conference without an expressed emergency need. To generally describe reprint policy, AAWS has a very loose permission agreement for AA members and AA Groups where a simple excerpt needs the source and the phrase "used with permission of AAWS, Inc." Traditions Four and Six still apply. Longer and complete tracks, let's say an entire chapter of Experience, Strength, and Hope or one from the AA Grapevine's Language of the Heart would need a written request for approval from the Boards of the relevant publishing houses (AAWS or Gv). If the reprinting is definitely an intra-AA venture that has no connection to outside enterprise, permission would most likely be granted. I believe that hidden agendas or non-altruistic motives would be seen as reason for reprint denial. Case in point, even though it was 2001: permission to reprint the full AAWS Archives Workbook for review by the 2001 National Archives Workshop attendees was requested but didn't need a formal approval from the General Service Board. In fact, GSO administration staff gave permission over the telephone while mailed letters went back and forth on the activity. Even a Researcher's Card goes before the Trustees Archives Committee if it's necessary to establish the intent of the research activity at GSO's AA Archives, and this has been policy for decades. Nothing has changed to my knowledge. To re-publish an AAWS work for a larger distribution from an 'ouside-AA' publishing entity is something different. Does "IWS" or the "Anonymous Press" come to mind? For another hypothetical example in the copyright world, Penguin Books would be in legal trouble if it published Mitchell's own How It Worked biography without contact first. The copyrights for AAWS and Gv are in effect, and the 'used with pernission' as footnotes to excerpts acknowledges those copyrights. From AAWS or Gv, some reprint activity needs a formal permission request but most don't! Rick T., Illinois . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3713. . . . . . . . . . . . Fair use of copyrighted materials From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2006 12:28:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The wording of American copyright law makes it sound as though one can copy almost nothing from a work on which someone else has claimed a copyright. But this is not correct. There are all sorts of different kinds of copying which are regarded as "fair use." (This is the technical legal term.) This may be the most complicated part of American law. Those who are concerned should look at the following three discussions of the legal concept of "fair use" of copyrighted materials: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/intellectualProperty/copypol2.htm http://www.copyright.iupui.edu/highered.htm#four There are four "fair use factors" that have to be balanced against one another: 1. What is the character of the use? 2. What is the nature of the work to be used? 3. How much of the work will you use? 4. What effect would this use have on the market for the original or for permissions if the use were widespread?
or purely personal use tips the balance towards fair use. Commercial use tips the balance the other direction, that is, makes it more likely that it would be regarded as a copyright violation.
(interestingly enough) things that are already published, tips the balance towards fair use. Copying from something that someone else has not yet published tips the balance the other direction.
likely it is to be regarded as fair use. Fourth factor: the balance is tipped towards fair use if the original is out of print or otherwise unavailable, or if the copyright owner is unidentifiable. It is tipped the other way if the copy will be published in a way that will take sales away from the original.
is that there are four different balance factors at work, and each of them affects the overall balance.
terms of Factor 3, because it is the entire book. But as long as it is only for your own personal use, this tips Factor 1 so far in the direction of fair use, that this is regularly regarded as fair use in actual practice. This is why most American libraries have photocopiers in them nowadays, because this kind of use is generally regarded as fair use in actual practice. The important thing is, you can only copy things on the photocopier in the library for your own personal use. You cannot sell these copies to other people.
photocopies of selections from one or more of the books in the library, which were going to be required reading for one of my courses, and then put these on reserve, for the students to check out and read. The university librarians and university lawyers said that this was fair use.
student in my course and charge the students the price of the photocopying, because that tipped Factor 4 over towards a commercial transaction. A famous court case back in the 1980's against a major national photocopying chain cost them a lot of money when the judge ruled that this practice (in which they had been deeply involved) was copyright infringement. If an AA archives made a photocopy of a rare out of print book to keep on their shelves, this would probably be regarded as fair use, looking at the four factors. But a good many cases are very ambiguous and difficult to decide. A copyright lawyer might well say to you, "On a scale of 1 to 10, I would call that a 7. You can probably do it, and a judge would probably approve it if it went to court. But that would not be a sure thing that you could count on one hundred percent." And part of our problem in AA is that there are sometimes people (usually at the lower level) in the New York GSO who do not really know anything much about American copyright law. They can sometimes become over zealous, and believe that they are "following the strict letter of the law" in telling people they cannot copy something, or that they have to obtain permission to copy something, when in fact many years of appellate cases have established that what they are objecting to is considered "fair use" by every judge in the United States.
slippery and ambiguous enough that copying something that is even a 7 or 8 on a "fair use" scale of 1 to 10, might not be worth the legal risk. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3714. . . . . . . . . . . . Obituary for Ann R From: George Cleveland . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2006 11:07:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This from the September 16, NY Times Opinion Page. Appreciations Ann R., Alcoholic Article Tools Sponsored By By MAURA J. CASEY Published: September 16, 2006
one-liners and especially for the keynote speech at the 1988 Democratic Convention, which was, in retrospect, the high point in the party's dismal campaign for the presidency that year. To intrigued television viewers nationwide, Ms. Richards, with her big hair and big attitude, epitomized the kind of formidable woman that is a hallmark of the Lone Star State. People liked her down-home phrases. When she said, "We're gonna tell how the cow ate the cabbage," they believed her. She leavened a plain-spoken manner with wisecracks. Both helped elect her governor two years later.
great, great stories" of her life: her recovery from alcoholism and her nearly 26 years of sobriety. That triumph deserves to be more than a line in her obituary. In so many ways, her decision to stop drinking and enter a rehabilitation program in 1980, after a painful intervention by family and friends, was necessary for her continued rise in public life. What made Ms. Richards different was her decision to be forthright about the fact that she was a recovering alcoholic. She didn't hide it. "I like to tell people that alcoholism is one of my strengths," she said. She was right. Alcoholics know that seeds of healthy recovery grow from the need to mend their own flaws to stay sober, one day at a time. Ms. Richards faced her imperfections fearlessly, and that enabled others to be fearless, too, if only for a little while. She never stopped helping people. One well-known author said the first mail she received after enrolling in a rehabilitation program was an encouraging letter from Ms. Richards. A politician who left rehab and wondered how on earth he was going to avoid drinking when he got home well after midnight found Ms. Richards waiting for him when he arrived. As governor, she started treatment programs in Texas prisons. When she visited, she would tell the inmates the simple truth: "My name's Ann, and I'm an alcoholic." Her imperfection had become a source of inspiration for others.
soon. But she died sober. MAURA J. CASEY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3715. . . . . . . . . . . . Harper 12 and 12 From: John Wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2006 11:41:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Seeking information on third printing need Harper date converted date does anyone know how many of each Harper was printed? Does anyone know how many Harper AA Comes of Age were printed? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3716. . . . . . . . . . . . When did first AA online groups/meetings begin? From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/20/2006 8:25:00 AM
AA online. Individual members no doubt communicated with other members as one way of enhancing their sobriety long before the web, perhaps even in the early days of ARPA-NET.
how the first self-conscious "group" or "meeting" began . . . maybe in "bulletin-board" days? Please, I will appreciate any help on this, via AAHL or directly, if you prefer.
(kurtzern at umich.edu) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3717. . . . . . . . . . . . How many alcoholics? From: Danny S . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2006 7:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Maybe someone can help me with this. We frequently hear and use the statement that only ten percent of the world population is alcoholic - usually qualified with the inclusion of "estimated" and "professionals".
the "professionals" are who did the estimating? I am looking to validate this statement.
From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/19/2006 10:32:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII If you turn right at the street before the John Hay Library and then right at (I think) the next street, there is (or used to be) five-hour parking (I can't recall the names of the streets). I can assure you the pencil-and-pad restriction applies to all researchers (or did when my wife and I were last there). The collections at Brown include the Kirk Collection (put together by Charlie Bishop), the Dr. Bob papers, Clarence papers (put together by Mitch K.), Marty Mann NCA (NCADD) Papers which include material from Yev Gardiner, the Ernie Kurtz papers gathered both before and after he wrote Not-God, and a whole lot of temperance stuff. Tovah is Librarian for the whole Kirk/CAAS [Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies] and other connected Collections. I believe Brown subscribes to the same anonymity restrictions with regard to their collections as GSO does with regard to theirs (barring the Clarence collection where his own views on anonymity may take preference and of course the Marty Mann NCADD collection, which does not involve her work with AA). The Kirk online location is www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/libs/hay/collections/ kirk/index.html
largest city From: robin_foote . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/18/2006 2:36:00 AM
largest city in India. Ahmedabad, with a population of more than 5.2 million, is over on the western side of India in Gujarat, about seventy miles from the seacoast, up near the border with Pakistan. Moderator's note.]
Anonymous drinks to its health They aren't saying hic, hic, hurray, but guess why the Ahmedabad chapter of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is celebrating.
their addiction, completed one year this month and the chapter held a meeting on Sunday to share their experiences of the past year. It's ironical that the group is thriving in what is known to be ''the driest State of them all.'' AA, which works on the ideology of sharing experiences, strengths and hopes with one another, started with a Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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