for early AA.
But early AA got important ideas from the New Thought
movement also. A good many of Bill W.'s statements
about the nature of God in the Big Book are cast in
New Thought terminology. The same thing could be said
about the second most published AA author, Richmond
Walker, in "Twenty-Four Hours a Day."
The focus in the Big Book on removing resentment and
fear from our lives (in the fourth through seventh
steps) is very much a kind of New Thought approach
to spirituality. By removing the disturbances in our
thoughts, we will heal our lives at every level.
Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana)
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APPENDIX 1: UNITY CHURCH BELIEFS
Five basic Unity Church principles:
1. There is only one Presence and one Power active
as the universe and as my life, God the Good.
2. Our essence is of God; therefore, we are inherently
good. This God essence was fully expressed in Jesus,
the Christ.
3. We are co-creators with God, creating reality
through thoughts held in mind.
4. Through prayer and meditation, we align our
heart-mind with God. Denials and affirmations are
tools we use.
5. Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the
Truth we know.
What are the basic tenets of the Unity teachings?
1. God, Divine Mind, is the Source and Creator of
all. There is no other enduring power. The nature of
God is absolute good; therefore, all manifestations
partake of good. What is called "evil" is a limited or
incomplete expression of God or good. Evil's origin
is ignorance.
2. We are spiritual beings, ideas in the Mind of God,
created in God's image and likeness. The ideal expression
for every human being is the pattern every person is
seeking to bring forth. Each individual manifests the
Christ in his or her own unique fashion. The perfect
expression of the Christ is, therefore, different for
each person.
3. Jesus was a special person in history who expressed
perfection and thereby became the Christ, or Jesus Christ.
He was a Teacher who demonstrated the importance of
thoughts, words, and deeds in shaping the life and world
of the individual.
4. Jesus' teaching was based on prayer, which to Him
was conscious communion with God. Preparation for prayer
involves the use of the spoken word, the creative power
of God, which is made practical through denials and
affirmations. Unity teaches that repeated use of
statements of Truth (denials and affirmations)
establishes right patterns of thinking, feeling, and
acting. This is one way individuals use the creative
power of God to take dominion over mind, body, and
affairs.
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APPENDIX 2: RELIGIOUS SCIENCE (SCIENCE OF MIND) BELIEFS
The Science of Mind is built on the theory that
there is One Infinite Mind which of necessity includes
all that is, whether it be the intelligence in man,
the life in the animal, or the invisible Presence
which is God. In it we learn to have a spiritual
sense of things.
The Science of Mind is intensely practical because
it teaches us how to use the Mind Principle for
definite purposes, such as helping those who are
sick, impoverished, or unhappy. Each one of us should
learn to become a practitioner of this science, a
demonstrator of its Principle, a conscious user of
its Power. Power already exists, but the existence
of Power is of no particular value to us until we
use it. We must not only be conscious of Power, but
we must be actively conscious of it. This is one
of the first lessons we learn in the Science of Mind.
Religious Scientists believe, very simply, that
the Universe is fundamentally spiritual -- it has
intelligence, purpose, beauty and order. Whether we
call it God, spirit, energy, or Universal Intelligence,
every person, place and thing emanates from this
spiritual universe. We believe this Universal
Intelligence is within us, as well as around us,
and that we are conscious of it. The way of life
we teach and practice is learning how to live in
accordance with spiritual principles.
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APPENDIX 3: DIVINE SCIENCE BELIEFS
God is all, both invisible and visible.
One Presence, One Mind, One Power is all.
This One that is all is Perfect Life, Perfect Love,
and Perfect Substance.
Man is the individualized expression of God and
is ever one with this Perfect Life, Perfect Love,
and Perfect Substance.
Life is Continuous.
It proceeds from Divine Life, which is Good in
all its manifestations.
There is only one Power in the Universe, the
Power we call God.
There is no evil except that which is man-made.
The normal state of man is abounding health.
The Divine Purpose is to express the Joy of Life.
The foundation truth of Divine Science is that
limitless Being, God [Good], is equally present
everywhere and is the ALL of everything. God is
pure Spirit, absolute, changeless, eternal, manifesting
in all creation. "God is everywhere, therefore God
is here. What God is is everywhere, therefore what
God is is here."
If Good is omnipresent, what becomes of evil? What
happens to the darkness which fills a room when the
light is turned on? The darkness does not move out
and go somewhere else, it simply does not exist in
the presence of light. Darkness is not a reality, it
is merely the absence of light. In the same way when
the individual thought is centered upon the omnipresence
of good, evil thought does not move out and continue
to exist elsewhere; it simply becomes nonexistent. Evil
has no reality within itself; it can have existence only
so long as an individual supports it by his belief in it.
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++++Message 3776. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Question about AA''s link to
Science of Mind
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/6/2006 9:12:00 PM
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Hi Mama Duck,
Glenn has given you a good answer re "The Science
of Mind" and I added a brief comment to it. We can't
credit that book with starting AA but I'm sure it
was a great help for many of the early members.
Attending New Thought meetings in New York City
and other places, I discovered that many AA members
are also drawn to them. Marty M., one of the first
women to get sober in AA, told me that her two best
teachers were Bill W. and Raymond Charles Barker,
a Religious Science minister in New York City.
How did you ever get a name like Mama Duck?
Mel Barger
melb@accesstoledo.com
(melb at accesstoledo.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: "mama.duck"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Question about AA's
link to Science of Mind
> Hi everyone! I'm hoping to learn more about the
> history of AA.
>
> I have a sister-in-law who is big into Science of Mind.
> My husband is in Al-Anon and the three of us often have
> conversations that find phrases and wording to be so similar
> that I once spoke up about it.
>
> She told me that, and I can't remember exactly what she
> said, but in a nutshell she credits Science of Mind for
> the start of AA.
>
> I have limited knowledge of the history of AA but I've
> never heard any connection to Science of Mind. Does
> anyone know what I'm talking about or have any info
> about this?
>
> Thanks a bunch! mama duck
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++++Message 3777. . . . . . . . . . . . History site "Silkworth.net" website
now off line -- Why?
From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:02:00 AM
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Dear AA Friends,
Does anyone know why one of my favorite sites,
www.silkworth.net, has gone offline?
http://www.silkworth.net/
What sort of infringements are they speaking of
below? Did GSO have anything to do with this?
Thanks for your answer.
Bob Stonebraker
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SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE.
Please except my apologies for any copyright
infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net
was created strictly for carrying the message of
Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have
been of useful help to even a single individual
and nothing more.
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++++Message 3778. . . . . . . . . . . . C. J. Brockwell
From: Lance . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/8/2006 3:02:00 AM
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I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He was my sponor's
sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was "reborn" into
our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA number 6".
Please
contact me with any information!
All is well here in Colorado Springs AA.
HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado!
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++++Message 3779. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History of "the Twelve Promises"
From: Lawrence W. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 9:49:00 PM
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timderan wrote:
I have another question.
Does anyone know the history of that section of
the Big Book on Pages 83 and 84 that so many call
the Promises?
tmd
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FROM LARRY W. (South Bend, Indiana)
According to my sponsor there is a promise of sorts
after every step. The twelve promises were put in
place to help others see the rewards of working the
steps.
He was there with his sponsor, Dr. Bob.
There was also an argument about whether there are
12 promises, or 13. The sentence before reads
"As God's people we stand on our feet, we don't
crawl before anyone."
It was thought that was a promise also. Anyway since
10, 11, and 12 are maintenance and sharing the program
steps, they wanted the promises to be after the
ninth step.
Larry W.
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FROM THE MODERATOR (Glenn C., South Bend):
Larry's sponsor was Ernie G. (the second Ernie,
from Toledo), one of the good old timers from early
Akron AA.
See "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers," pp. 141, 148,
175, 226, 235, 253, 256, 258, 265, 300, 312-313.
Ernie sponsored Larry in Adrian, Michigan. Larry
says that the young man mentioned on p. 258 was not
him however, because the date (1977) would be wrong
for that.
The first time Larry saw Ernie, he was astounded,
because, he said, "He just seemed to glow with light."
For most of what Ernie taught him, Ernie would say,
"my sponsor told me." Larry finally asked who his
sponsor had been, and Ernie said, "Why, Doctor Bob."
That is why Larry's information is of great historical
importance. Since Dr. Bob wrote almost nothing down,
we are dependent on the witness of those who were
taught by him, in our attempts to determine how he
interpreted the message.
The Tuesday night meeting in Osceola, Indiana,
which Larry attends, reads the Twelve Promises as
thirteen statements, beginning with "As God's people
we stand on our feet; we don't crawl before anyone."
Larry says that one of the first things Ernie said
to him was, "You don't need to betray yourself any
longer."
Those two statements go together, as an important
part of the tradition stemming from Dr. Bob and the
original Akron A.A. group. We can also see it coming
out in Clarence Snyder and many other of the good
old timers from that part of Ohio.
Larry was the one who brought me into the program.
"Shorty" in his email address is a joke. He is 6 feet
6 inches tall (a full two meters tall in his cowboy
boots).
Glenn C.
South Bend, Indiana
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++++Message 3780. . . . . . . . . . . . AA International Conventions - a
list of all of them?
From: righteousthug . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 4:08:00 PM
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Should be an easy one for all you 'old pros', but I haven't been able
to come up with a complete list of all our AA International Conventions.
Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities?
Thank you!
/rt
6/14/88
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++++Message 3781. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AA International Conventions - a
list of all of them?
From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:57:00 PM
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AA International Conventions
1st 1950 Cleveland, OH
2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO
3d 1960 Long Beach, CA
4th 1965 Toronto, CAN
5th 1970 Miami, FL
6th 1975 Denver, CO
7th 1980 New Orleans, LA
8th 1985 Montreal, CAN
9th 1990 Seattle, WA
10th 1995 San Diego, CA
11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN
12th 2005 Toronto, CAN
13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "righteousthug"
wrote:
>
> Should be an easy one for all you 'old pros', but I haven't been
able
> to come up with a complete list of all our AA International
Conventions.
>
> Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities?
>
> Thank you!
>
> /rt
> 6/14/88
>
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++++Message 3782. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History site "Silkworth.net"
website now off line -- Why?
From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 6:59:00 PM
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I have an e-mail into Jim M., the owner of
Silkworth.net asking about what happened. Due to the
nature of the announcement on the site regarding
so-called copyright infringement, I would think that
the legal team at AAWS, Inc. has been spending your
money again silencing AA members. Jim did not change
the message in any way. I am sure that AAWS, INC
wasn't making any MONEY off of the Silkworth site and
since they are protecting their PROPERTY, they used
their PRESTIGE to threaten or actually sue the
Silkworth site. Who is next? Maybe the History Lovers
group? maybe all the other AA related sites on the
net? Maybe only the ones with links to those who speak
out against what is going on at AA HQ?
I've been sharing info with someone on another site
who contacted Mr. Jasper at AAWS and Mr. Jasper denies
that AAWS had anything to do with the court case in
Germany or Mexico despite what documents already
prove. I'm sure that they will feign no knowledge of
what has happened to Silkworth.net.
Who is next? Who else will fall under the hatchet of
the governing body in NYC?
> Dear AA Friends,
>
> Does anyone know why one of my favorite sites,
> www.silkworth.net, has gone offline?
>
> http://www.silkworth.net/
>
> What sort of infringements are they speaking of
> below? Did GSO have anything to do with this?
>
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> Bob Stonebraker
>
> _______________________________________
>
> SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE.
>
> Please except my apologies for any copyright
> infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net
> was created strictly for carrying the message of
> Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have
> been of useful help to even a single individual
> and nothing more.
>
>
>
>
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++++Message 3783. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: C. J. Brockwell
From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:03:00 PM
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I met Charlie Brockwell several times. Nell Wing and I
had many conversations about Charlie and the veracity
of his claims. She didn't remember Charlie in any of
the documents..but...who knows?
--- Lance wrote:
> I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He
> was my sponor's
> sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was
> "reborn" into
> our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA
> number 6". Please
> contact me with any information!
> All is well here in Colorado Springs AA.
> HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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++++Message 3784. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: AA International Conventions
- a list of all of them?
From: William Middleton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 8:01:00 PM
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My Friend, Tomper87:
And, Atlanta, Georgia, July 2-6, 2015!
"Y'all Come!"
Respectfully,
Bill Middleton
Area 16 2015 International Bid Committee
tomper87 wrote:
AA International Conventions
1st 1950 Cleveland, OH
2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO
3d 1960 Long Beach, CA
4th 1965 Toronto, CAN
5th 1970 Miami, FL
6th 1975 Denver, CO
7th 1980 New Orleans, LA
8th 1985 Montreal, CAN
9th 1990 Seattle, WA
10th 1995 San Diego, CA
11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN
12th 2005 Toronto, CAN
13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
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++++Message 3785. . . . . . . . . . . . C. J. Brockwell photos
From: Lance Weldgen . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 10:27:00 PM
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Hi Mitchell!
I have 2 photos and a percil art sketch of done by
my (now deceased) sponsor. If you'd like I can email
them to you...let me know.
My sponsor had CJ as his sponsor. He was AA number 6.
Looking forward to hearing back!
Thank you.
Lance Weldgen
Colorado Springs
formerly Chico, CA
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PLEASE SEND REQUESTS DIRECTLY TO LANCE AT:
lance_1954@yahoo.com (lance_1954 at yahoo.com)
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Glenn C. (Moderator)
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++++Message 3786. . . . . . . . . . . . Ninth Step Promises.
From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:49:00 PM
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There are many more Promises in the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous than
those referred to as the "Ninth Step Promises." And there are more
than
twelve of them..Let's count.
(1) If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be
amazed before we are half way through.
(2)We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.
(3)We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it.
(4)We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace.
(5) No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our
experience can benefit others.
(6)That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear.
(7)We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows.
(8)Self-seeking will slip away.
(9)Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change.
(10)Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us.
(11)We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle
us.
(12)We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do
for ourselves.
Are these extravagant promises? We think not.
(13)They are being fulfilled among us - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
(14)They will always materialize if we work for them.
In God's love and service,
Cliff Bishop
cbbb164@aol.com
Home (214) 350-1190
Cell (214) 352-5371
_www.ppgaadallas_ (http://www.ppgaadallas/) .org
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++++Message 3787. . . . . . . . . . . . History of "the Twelve Promises"
From: ROGER WHEATLEY . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 2:08:00 PM
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THis may be semantics, but I am intrigued by this discussion and the credit
given to the oral history tracing this 12 vs. 13 promises back to Dr. Bob
and
early Akron AA. I have heard many versions throughout the years, perhaps
because much of our history is oral and our reliance on healing through
storytelling.
When I moved to Europe, the group in Belgium, the SHAPE Group, at the NATO
Headquarters in Mons read the promises beginning with that phrase.
I have travelled around and seen AA done enough different ways, all
successful
that there is little in format I gripe about anymore if the spirit of AA is
present. However, this struck me as odd because this takes the last sentence
of
a paragraph above it and uses it for an introduction to the next paragraph
completely out of context. While i dont doubt the validity of the claim that
early AAs discussed 12 vs. 13 promises, I doubt the author/authors or those
helping Bill in the editing process meant this as a promise. By the
structure
in fact I tend to doubt that they anticipated they would be numbered at all
by
us who arrived later.
There is a strikingly similar paragraph in Emmet Fox's Sermon on the Mount
listing a group of promises or metaphysical outcomes if you practice some
simple
spiritual principles, but for the life of me I cannot find the page number
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