From: Corey Franks . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 9:53:00 AM
wrote: Didn't Bill call Dr. Bob
"Smithy" and
the son's nickname was "Smitty"?
Smitty/Smithy/Tommy in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3099. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Dr. Howard/Hank P.
manuscript
From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 7:38:00 AM
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From what I have learned, this
> one manuscript was brought to Cornwall Press in the
> Nyack, New York area of the Hudson River valley in
> February 1939---
Just a quick geographical correction. The Cornwall
Press was located in Cornwall, NY located in Orange
County, NY. The first edition printings were done
there as were several of the 2nd edition printings.
The company merged with another and from what I
understand, further printings were done in New Jersey.
When the galleys were gone over, it was done by Bill
W., Hank P., Ruth Hock and Dorothy Snyder who came up
to Cornwall to go over them.
As far as Barry's family giving anything to AAWS, due
to a history of problems, litigation and pending
litigation over royalties for Living Sober They had no
desire to give AAWS anything. There was a great deal
of animosity generated. I remember going over all the
drafts for Living Sober which were housed in a
friend's apartment in Connecticut. This friend had
many of Barry's materials as well as another friend's
materials which were left to him (Ron was involved
with many of the private recordings of Bill W. and
Bill speaking at his anniversaries in NYC - I think
close to 200 of them and left them to Dennis when he
passed on). I have no idea where these materials might
be today (I do have some guesses). Dennis was a
collector of AA memorabilia and had a small but
amazing collection. There were some great "spook", LSD
and vitamin B tapes but as I was only allowed to
listen to portions of them, not make copies or take
notes, unless they surface again, the material
contained in them might be lost.
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++++Message 3100. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr. Howard
From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:19:00 AM
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Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of
either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given
year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been
given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives
are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS
restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of
NJ"
I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane
at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park
Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell
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++++Message 3101. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Announcing outside events during
AA meetings
From: Jim Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:38:00 AM
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Gotogo asked
Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA
meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?
You can do or say whatever you want but just be prepared to deal with the
consequences.
AA Police #242
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++++Message 3102. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Announcing outside events during
AA meetings
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 1:17:00 PM
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I'm not sure what your question has to do with AA history, but if you
are trying to find out if AA members can have diametrically opposed
viewpoints and all think they are right, it's a guaranteed certainty.
Alcoholics can announce whatever they want according to their group
conscience. Groups are autonomous - but autonomy should not be used as
a loophole to get around what the group members consider appropriate
in their understanding and practice of the Traditions.
Similarly, Alcoholics can decline to announce whatever they want
according to their group conscience. Minorities demonstrate unity when
they cooperate with the group conscience decisions of the majority.
Things can get a bit dicey, and divisive, when the Traditions are
viewed legalistically as opposed to being looked at as spiritual
principles oriented to maintaining group unity.
Many AA members like to keep announcements limited to activities
directly related to AA (e.g. a meetings, service committees,
conferences and conventions, etc.).
Just because something is attended by AA members it does not means
that it is an AA event. There is no such thing as an AA retreat, an AA
golf tournament, or an AA dance although AA members as certainly free
to join in such activities.
Of course, all the above is only one member's viewpoint.
Cheers
Arthur
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Announcing outside events during AA
meetings
Hi All
Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA
meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?
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++++Message 3103. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Smitty and Smithy
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 12:55:00 PM
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Yes Bill W did use the nicknames "Smithy" and "Smitty"
to distinguish
between father and son. Young Bob was still called "Smitty" up to
the
time he passed away.
Incidentally, Dr Bob was supposed to have quite a sense of humor for
nicknames that he would come up with for others. Among the nicknames
he had for Sister Ignatia were "Little Angel AA" and
"Ig." He also
liked to use jargon which would likely get him in politically
incorrect hot water today (i.e. he would refer to women as a
"frail").
Cheers
Arthur
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To add to Arthur's list, J. D. H., the founder of the first AA group in
Indiana,
says (in his memoirs which he wrote many years later) that when he got sober
in
Akron and was over at Dr. Bob and Anne's house every day, Dr. Bob always
called
him "Abercrombie."
Glenn C.
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++++Message 3104. . . . . . . . . . . . RE:Announcing outside events during
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From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:44:00 PM
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Hi Friends,
While I think this issue has a questionable place on a forum on AA
History, it has everything to do with our traditions. Tradition 6, short
form states, "An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the
A.A.
name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money,
property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose."
Now, if there is a charge for admission, an AA Dance or anything
else becomes an Outside Enterprise. If it is offered as free, then it could
be argued that it is not much more than an extension of the meeting, though
some may hold that it is still a violation of some other traditions. I have
also seen occasions where certain outside enterprises have offered
"free" AA
activities with an underlying purpose of promoting their recovery store,
club, hospital or other services. That's called advertising, and we avoid
any appearance of promoting that, too.
I was taught to make any Related but still Non AA Announcements just
prior to the opening of a meeting, therefore these types of announcements
are not made at an AA meeting, and not appearing to be endorsed by AA
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Mark Everett
517 Cherry Hill Lane
Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608
Phone: (513) 228-0078
Cell: (513) 850-4911
eFax: (267) 851-2083
e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com
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++++Message 3105. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 4 or 6 years sober on page 192
in 1st printing?
From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 4:04:00 PM
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Hi all,
Boy, I love these types of things. I went looking through my
assorted collection of Big Books and found the following from Dr. Bob's
Nightmare.
First Edition, 9th and 12th printings - 6 years
Second Edition, 1st printing - 6 years
Third Edition, 1st, 5th and 7th printing - 6 years
and
Third Edition, 51st printing - 4 years
Third Edition (soft cover 8th printing - Sept 1988) referencing the 32nd
printing (also 1988) - 4 years
Fourth Edition, 1st and 8th printing - 4 years
Knockoff copy of "Original Manuscript" with notes from Clarence
Snyder - 4
years
So, it appears to me that some editor, after the 7th printing of the 3rd
edition in 1980 and prior to September 1988, decided to do the math, and
returned Dr. Bob's story to a logical number of years. This is sort of like
the same mystery with "these" and "those" in the 12th
step.
Enjoy
Mark
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Mark Everett
517 Cherry Hill Lane
Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608
Phone: (513) 228-0078
Cell: (513) 850-4911
eFax: (267) 851-2083
e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com
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++++Message 3106. . . . . . . . . . . . AAhistory
From: Emmanuel John . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 5:11:00 PM
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Your question is one that I have dealt with a lot in my 21 years.
First of all we have our 1st tradition which states that our common welfare
should come before all else. Is this good for AA? It goes on to say that the
Unity of our members is the primary goal as disunity would tear us apart.
The
nay-sayers are probably more of a force for disunity then the event could
ever
be.
So does the event aid in unity? I personally believe that the founders would
have been very supportive of these types of events and announcements. In law
there is often the phrase, "the spirit of the law," why it was
written. I don't
think that the tradition aims at limiting these types of activities
If our ultimate authority is a "loving God and how he will express
himself" then
we could ask what He might consider on this issue, the dance is a good thing
despite people who are just down right negative. We're not supposed to have
an
opinion on outside issues so what one group does is not the other groups
business unless if effects AA as a whole. This should then be discussed with
their local Intergroup office. Your dance could be considered by some as the
way "A loving God" is expressing Itself in your group.
Does it effect AA as a whole? Only for the better but we must be careful
where
proceeds if any end up. AA bull roasts/dances are common fundraisers Just
like our conventions, gratitude breakfasts' which are also announced in
meetings. A group does however have the right to choose to not announce
these
types of events by way of a vote.
Is it carrying the AA message? Most important of all, can people without
money
attend without feeling singled out, or made to feel ashamed because they
don't
have money (not so with many of our fundraisers). Admission should be set up
in
such a way that it is seen as a donation and not an admission/ticket charge.
The have nots should be encouraged to attend.
Is it an outside enterprise? Well if it's in the same building and using the
group name then its not an outside event, if an autonomous group decided to
put
the dance on then it is an extending activity of the group or a special
"lengthened" meeting
A major issue is that the monies collected in the basket during the meeting
should only go to purposes for which the money was given. A dance is
probably
not an understood allocation for those having contributed. Now if your
meeting
has the dance every month and everyone knows that this will be a use for the
money then that might be acceptable. I personally belong to a group that
puts
on more events then most groups in the area and somehow we give more money
to
Intergroup, with many other contributor meeting, meeting several times a
week,
giving less.
Finally. I think that we have to consider if this makes the AA way of life
more
attractive to the new comer who might think that we are a glum lot. People
who
don't like these announcements are usually just not very fun to begin with.
Enjoy the dance!
Emmanuel
Baltimore
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:54:03 EST
From: Gotogo2002L@aol.com
Subject: Announcing outside events during AA meetings
Hi All
Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA
meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?
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Peace and Happy Days
Emmanuel S. John, LCSW-C
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++++Message 3107. . . . . . . . . . . . Moderator out of town Fri-Mon Jan
27-30
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:55:00 PM
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I will be out of town from Friday January 27 to Monday January 30, 2006.
Please hold your messages until then.
Thanks much!
Glenn Chesnut
South Bend, Indiana
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++++Message 3108. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 100 Hundred Men and Women?
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 2:55:00 PM
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Bill W did like to be "generous" in his numerical estimates.
However, the "100 men" part likely derived from a prospectus Hank
P
put together to offer shares of stock to underwrite the production of
the book. The shares were offered at $25 which would be around $325
using the 2003 Consumer Price Index (CPI).
The graphic image file I have of the prospectus shows a date of June
1939 on its cover which has the title "Alcoholics Anonymous." The
date
is likely in error since the prospectus contents announce that the
Alcoholic Foundation had recently been formed and that ten chapters of
the book had been completed. Hank's story is "The Unbeliever."
What eventually came to be called "Works Publishing Co" was
originally
proposed to be named "The One Hundred Men Corporation" in the
prospectus. The proposed title for what became "Alcoholics
Anonymous"
(the Big Book) was "One Hundred Men."
The "and women" part turned out to be Florence R of NY (as Merton
noted) whose story is "A Feminine Victory" (Marty M didn't arrive
until after the manuscript had been distributed). Florence R, was the
first woman in AA and was sober around a year when she wrote her
story. She later moved to Washington DC to join up with Fitz M (whose
story is "Our Southern Friend") to help start AA there. Sadly,
Florence returned to drinking (Fitz M was called to the morgue to
identify her).
A non-alcoholic wife of an AA member also had her personal story
printed in the first edition. She was Marie B whose story is "An
Alcoholic's Wife." Her husband was Walter B whose story was "The
Backslider." Walter was also the first patient admitted to St Thomas
Hospital in Akron when Dr Bob and Sister Ignatia began their
collaboration.
When Bill W visited Dr Bob in November 1937, they "compared
notes." 40
cases were sober (more than 20 for over a year). All were once
diagnosed as hopeless. In a meeting at T Henry Williams' home, Bill's
ideas, for a book, hospitals and how to expand the movement with paid
missionaries, narrowly passed by 2 votes among 18 members. The NY
group was more enthusiastic. This is what led to the start of the
writing of the Big Book.
Between November 1937, when there were "40 cases sober" up to the
early months of 1939 (the Big Book was printed in April 1939) it is
not inconceivable that membership jumped to 100 or thereabouts. Plus,
like Jim B noted "it's a nice round number." And would at most
constitute a "fib" as opposed to a "lie."
I don't believe it was ever intended for every member in 1938/1939 to
have their personal stories printed in the first edition. Stories from
Akron and vicinity dominated since they were the first group and
largest in membership. The manuscript story of an Akron member, "Ace
Full - Seven - Eleven," was dropped (reputedly, because he was not too
pleased with changes made to the first drafts of the Steps and basic
text).
Only 29 (not 40) personal stories were included in the first printing
of the first edition Big Book (10 from the east coast, 18 from the
mid-west and 1 from the west coast - which was ghost written by Ruth
Hock and later removed from the book in its second printing).
Cheers
Arthur
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Message 3073 from James Flynn (jdf10487 at
yahoo.com) said:
"I would like to know why the preface to the first edition to the BB
makes a statement about 100 men and women, when there are only
approximately 40 stories in the BB and by some accounts that I have
read a maximum of 70 members in AA at the time the book was
published."
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++++Message 3109. . . . . . . . . . . . Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
From: Cloydg . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:49:00 PM
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Group,
One of my sponsee's asked me a question. I tried to find the answer as I
had thought it came from steps 6 and 7. Unfortunately, when I looked it up
on
our reference pages. I still could not find the answer to this nagging
question. Maybe you can answer it for me?
Where did, "Trust God, Clean House, Help Others", come from? Is it
in any
AA literature
In love and service, Clyde G.
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++++Message 3110. . . . . . . . . . . . First woman was Jane S., not
Florence
From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:57:00 AM
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The first woman was Jane S. in Akron and she beat Florence by one month.
Diz T.
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From: "mertonmm3" (mertonmm3 at
yahoo.com)
Women in the plural because, I believe in the NY/NJ/CT area (which
functioned as one during most of the time) they began with one woman
(Florence R. of Westfield N.J.), and around the time of the release of the
book
Marty M., then a patient of Blythewood Sanitarium, became number 2.
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++++Message 3111. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr.
Howard
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 1:01:00 AM
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The 1999 General Service Conference passed the following Advisory
Action:
The annual limit contributed to the General Service Office from
individual A.A. members be increased from $1,000 to $2,000 and that
bequests from A.A. members should be subject to the same limit and be
on a one-time-only basis and not in perpetuity.
This seems to be focused on money donations.
The AA Archives are called the "General Service Office Archives"
and
are one of the departments of the GSO (re the Service Manual pgs
S72-S73).
AA paid a hefty sum to purchase Dr Bob's Big Book from his son.
Archives fall into an area where, as collectors items, their monetary
value could be enormous. But there is also the historical value of the
items integral to the founding of AA which might very well take
precedence.
I suspect that if the manuscript were donated to AA the decision would
likely be up to the Conference on what to do and how to do it. I know
of deceased members who have bequeathed papers, books and other
assorted artifacts and memorabilia to the AA Archives. The collectors
value of the items would exceed $2,000 by orders of magnitude. So I
don't know if there is any notion of a cap on the monetary value.
Oh how I would love to find out, for certain, who "Dr Howard" was.
Cheers
Arthur
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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlobdell54
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:19 AM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Printer's Copy and Dr. Howard
Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of
either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given
year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been
given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives
are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS
restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of
NJ"
I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane
at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park
Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell
Yahoo! Groups Links
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++++Message 3112. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First woman was Jane S., not
Florence
From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 12:36:00 AM
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How interesting to learn of another early AA woman!
Still another was Mary Campbell, from somewhere in the South, I believe.
Dave and I don't know her sobriety date or when she arrived in AA, but it
was before April 1939 when Marty Mann went from Blythewood to her first AA
meeting, held at the Wilsons' home in Brooklyn. Mary actually visited Marty
at Blythewood. She relapsed in 1944, then returned to AA and stayed sober
until she died in the 1990s.
Maybe there are other early regional examples.
Shalom - Sally
Rev Sally Brown coauthor: A Biography of
Mrs. Marty Mann
Board Certified Clinical Chaplain The First Lady of Alcoholics
Anonymous
United Church of Christ
www.sallyanddavidbrown.com
1470 Sand Hill Road, 309
Palo Alto, CA 94304
Phone/Fax: 650 325 5258
Email: rev.sally@att.net
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++++Message 3113. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob prescription pad forgery
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 2:47:00 PM
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The phrase "1. Trust God, 2. Clean House, 3. Help Others" is typed
on a
prescription pad with Dr. Bob's name at the top. His signature is at the
bottom, and the phrase "always remember it" is in handwriting at
the top.
The problem is that a good AA historian once showed me that both the
handwritten phrase at the top, and the signature at the bottom, seem to have
been scanned and copied from a genuine letter by Dr. Bob, and then
superimposed
on the picture of the prescription pad using a computer art program. It
seemed
pretty convincing to me.
But I cannot remember where the genuine letter is found. Does anybody in the
group know anything more about this issue over the authenticity of the
prescription?
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From: "Cheryl F"
(learning3legacies at cox.net)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:43pm
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
The saying came from Dr. Bob. It was written on one of Dr.Bob's prescription
pads. I've seen a copy of it in the archives.
Cheryl F
Leander Tx
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From: Azor521@aol.com (Azor521 at aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:01pm
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
Ya might check this out....
http://www.nicd.us/AAand12-stepresources.html
Dr. Bob wrote this prescription- 1. Trust God. 2. Clean House. 3. Help
Others
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++++Message 3114. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Trust God, Clean House, Help
Others
From: John S. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 9:00:00 PM
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From: "John S." (quasso at
mindspring.com)
Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
"The only condition is that he trust in God and clean house." Pg
98 BB
The only other reference I've heard is Franklin W. from Olive Branch MS who
claimed authorship of the phrase "Trust God, Clean House and help
others." Of
course the principle of helping others is all throughout our literature.
In love and service
John
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FROM THE MODERATOR:
The sentence on page 98 in the Big Book gives us two thirds of the phrase
("trust in God and clean house"), but the full phrase "Trust
God, Clean House,
Help Others" does not show up in the Big Book in those precise words.
Members have written in showing that these words could be used as short
summaries of numerous things which are said in the Big Book.
But showing all the parallels in the Big Book to the basic teaching of this
little slogan does not, in and of itself, tell us who added "help
others" to the
phrase on page 98 in the Big Book, and began popularizing it as an AA
slogan.
Glenn C., South Bend, Indiana
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From: Toto24522@aol.com (Toto24522 at aol.com)
Big Book page 164 A Vision for You
" ....... you must remember that your real reliance is always upon Him.
(Trust
God)
Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who
is
still sick. ( Help others)
The answers will come, if your own house is in order. ( Clean House)
See to it that your relationship with Him is right, and great events will
come
to pass for you and countless others."
"Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. (Trust God)
Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows.
Clear away the wreckage of your past. (Clean House)
Give freely of what you find and join us. ( Help Others)
"We shall be with you in the Fellowship
of the Spirit, and you will surely meet some of
us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny.
May God bless you and keep you -- until then."
In simple form, the steps are:
1-3: Trust God
4-11: Clean House
12: Help Others
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From: "ArtSheehan" (ArtSheehan at
msn.com)
Source of "clean house, trust God, help others":
For the basic ideas, see Big Book pages 14-15, 89, 90, 94, 97, 98, 132.
Also Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions pages 56, 60, 63.
My own viewpoint:
Clean house:
Step 1 (of booze or forget about all the other Steps), then Steps 4
thru 10 (to clear away the obstacles we put in God's way and then
continue the housecleaning regularly with Step 10)
Trust in God:
Steps 2, 3, 6, 7, 11 (culminating in the regular practice of praying
only for knowledge of God's will and power to carry it out)
Help others:
Steps 8, 9 and 12 (in the spirit of the "golden rule" or
"greatest
commandment" as my church calls it).
There are a number of places around the country that describe Steps
10, 11 and 12 as "maintenance Steps." Clean house, trust in God
and
help others certainly is a nice concise description of these Steps
(sort of like Dr Bob reducing them all down to "love and
service").
As for where the saying "clean house, trust in God and help
others"
originated, my guess will be that several hundred locations will claim
it originated in their local area, and they will all be correct (rule
# 62).
Cheers
Arthur
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Helping them kick the bottle
Staff Reporter
Alcoholics Anonymous arranges counselling for known offenders
CHENNAI - India: Alcoholics Anonymous, the liquor de-addiction support
group, will tie up with the city police to help repeat offenders kick the
bottle.
At a meeting held at the Zion Church in Chindatripet on Friday, Alcoholics
Anonymous invited a group of more than 100 known offenders and their
families and counselled on how life without liquor could change them. The
invitees even had a role model they aspire to become: a person who had a
history of criminal life but had reformed over the past two years.
The coordinator for the programme said the idea was for those present to
have someone to relate to. "He is someone they can relate to. He was a
repeated offender for over 10 years. He eventually gave up liquor and
reformed himself." The organisers said Police Commissioner R. Nataraj,
who
was the chief guest, was so impressed with the idea that he even offered the
auditoria in three new police stations for conducting future meetings.
Representatives of Alcoholics Anonymous said de-addiction programmes and
support groups closely worked with police and prison authorities in the
United States for the past six decades. They hoped that similar programmes
would be possible in the future.
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