to the auction site in NYC. Bill P. of Hazelden Press verified its
draft.
of AA archival items.
the writer of AAWS' Living Sober in 1973. Lois gave it to him the
write-off.
Bros. information needed
From: mr.grassroots . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 10:13:00 PM
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I posted a request for information on the Harper Brothers printings of
to have a problem connecting/receiveing feedback. (Probably my doing
From: mertonmm3 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/29/2006 5:29:00 AM
debate, as a creditor of Henry G. Parkhurst, Inc. (unincorporated in
namesake so he owned the furniture. Bill pointed out that as treasurer
, an officer, he was equally liable). One of the other creditors was
Sinclair Oil.
very likely the mysterious Dr. Howard's hand. The one page in Bill's
hand was written many years after publication. Hopefully more people
can view the photo fascimiles from the catelog to understand my point.
check the various city directories for Dr. Marcus A. Curry.
Dr. Howard. Greystone Park yielded several very early members
including Morgan R., from Glen Ridge, who spoke on the radio about AA.
Source - documents in GSO Archives 1939-40 for unpublished yet Black
wrote:
>
> Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of
> either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given
> year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been
> given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives
> are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS
> restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of
NJ"
> I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane
> at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park
> Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell
>
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++++Message 3120. . . . . . . . . . . . Sauerkraut remedy
From: Rich Foss . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 12:13:00 PM
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An "old timer" in our fellowship is fond of using the Sauerkraut
Juice
treatment when he finds a wet one. It may have something to do with
replacing electrolytes or something. He says it is mentioned in our
literature. But we cannot find it. Perhaps AA Comes of Age or Dr. Bob and
the Old Timers? The force of his personality and his approach to AA's
simple program of recovery have helped a great number of people find a way
out. Just curious about the Sauerkraut.
Thanks.
Rich
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++++Message 3121. . . . . . . . . . . . Change of terms
From: David Jones . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/30/2006 10:38:00 AM
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Hi. Does any one know why the term ex-alcoholic was replaced with ex-problem
drinker in the big book.
God bless
Dave
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++++Message 3122. . . . . . . . . . . . Ray O''K died Jan. 28th
From: John Pine . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 11:18:00 AM
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FYI, an eloquent and influential member of the fellowship, Ray O'K., died in
Florida earlier this week and will be buried in Larchmont, NY on Saturday,
1/28. Here is a link to a newspaper obituary.
http://www.nyjnews.com/obituary/obit.php3?id=1912213
John P.
Richmond, VA
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++++Message 3123. . . . . . . . . . . . Enneagram and 4th Step in 12x12
From: Soberholic . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 1:51:00 AM
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Has anybody has ever brought up a question about the connection between the
theory of the enneagram and the 4th Step in 12x12? Does anyone know if Bill
W.
was aware of the early enneagram movement?
In the theory of the enneagram, in the instinctual subtypes, each type also
has
three main instinctual subtypes - the Self-Preservation, Sexual and Social
subtypes.
In the area of ego-fixations and the deadly sins, the Enneagram types have
also
been correlated with the traditional Seven Deadly Sins plus two additional
descriptors - 'deceit' and 'fear'. The '7 sins + 2' need to be understood in
a
much more specific meaning than usual."
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram
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++++Message 3124. . . . . . . . . . . . National Archives Workshop
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/2/2006 1:52:00 PM
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Because of the hurricane which struck New Orleans just
before the National Archives Workshop was to take place,
it has had to be rescheduled and relocated to another part
of Louisiana. We have had to miss a year, to allow these
new accommodations to be obtained, but everything is now
set up to hold the workshop in Baton Rouge.
10th Annual National Archives Workshop
September 14-17, 2006
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Holiday Inn South
9940 Airline HiWay
Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 70816
(255) 924-7021 Fax: (225) 924-9816
Mention N.A.W. (by August 31, 2006) for $79.00 room rate.
http://www.aanationalarchivesworkshop.com/
Co-Chairs:
Jimmy H. phone 504-382-9286 or email
jhardingnola@cox.net (jhardingnola at cox.net)
Bobby B. phone 337-662-3402 or email
danieb@att.net (danieb at att.net)
__________________________________
Sent to us by: "Area64archives.org"
daggerrose@area64tnarchives.org (daggerrose at area64tnarchives.org)
http://area64tnarchives.org/1stquarter2006/index.html
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++++Message 3125. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Alcoholics Anonymous C.O.A. -
Harper Bros. information needed
From: j_oys5672 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2006 5:04:00 PM
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--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "mr.grassroots"
wrote:
>
> I posted a request for information on the Harper Brothers printings of
> the volume "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age" some time ago
but seem
> to have a problem connecting/receiveing feedback. (Probably my doing
> since I am not completely familiar with this board yet.)
>
> In general I was wondering as to how many copies Harpers did of this
> work? different printings? Total number printed?
>
> Thank You in advance for your patience and will keep checking back in.
>
Good Afternoon Mr. Grassroots
I would suggest contacting the Archives desk at the General Service Office
in
New York.
They should be able to provide you with the information that you are
seeking. I
believe it
should also be available in the 1957 Final Conference Report.
Thelr Ph. # is (212)-870-8700 , website www.aa.org
In Service
Jerry
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++++Message 3126. . . . . . . . . . . . Accident
From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2006 4:58:00 PM
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Friends (and a few others),
On Saturday, Jan. 28th, I suffered a serious accident that, though
non-fatal, will substantially lay me up for some time. Please do not
write of your sympapthy and concern, in which I trust. I came home
from the hospital to over 700 messages. I will reply according to my
ability and larger priorities.
Thank you for your consideration.
ernie kurtz
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From the moderator:
Dr. Kurtz, a Harvard-trained historian, is the author of "Not God:
A History of Alcoholics Anonymous" and "The Spirituality of
Imperfection: Storytelling and the Search for Meaning."
He is widely recognized as the leading academic historian
in the field of AA history. A good history of the AA
movement in the 20th century will have to include a section
on his major ideas and contributions.
The title of his major book reminds us that we must first recognize
that we ourselves are NOT God before we will turn to the higher
power of the twelve step program (who is the REAL God) and
ask for help.
I do not have any information myself, beyond what appears in Ernie's
letter. If I learn more, I will let you know.
Glenn Chesnut
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++++Message 3127. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Sauerkraut remedy
From: Peggy Anna . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 5:26:00 PM
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I have a book written in 1993 by Don Julio DeMedici Santaleone, entitled
"The James Connection or Sauerkraut, Tomatoes, and Karo Syrup" The
author
has been a member of AA for over 20 years now and lives in Rochester, New
York. In his introduction he states "as related in Dr. Bob and the Good
Oldtimers (p 74) a detoxification treatment of a combination of tomatoes,
sauerkraut and Karo corn syrup was administered by Bill W. to Dr. Bob in
order to supply Bob with vitamins and energy so that Bob could perform
surgery".
Peggy Anna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Foss"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Sauerkraut remedy
>
> An "old timer" in our fellowship is fond of using the
Sauerkraut Juice
> treatment when he finds a wet one. It may have something to do with
> replacing electrolytes or something. He says it is mentioned in our
> literature. But we cannot find it. Perhaps AA Comes of Age or Dr. Bob
> and
> the Old Timers? The force of his personality and his approach to AA's
> simple program of recovery have helped a great number of people find a
way
> out. Just curious about the Sauerkraut.
> Thanks.
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>
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++++Message 3128. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Enneagram and 4th Step in 12x12
From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 5:31:00 PM
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From a quick research on the Eneagram, the theory was
not formulated until 1960 (the nine types), which means
that it had no association with the development of the
4th step. Please see:
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/history.asp
It describes the various people in the wikipedia discussion
and what their theories were.
Jim
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++++Message 3129. . . . . . . . . . . . Significant February dates in A.A.
History
From: chesbayman56 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2006 10:23:00 AM
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Feb 1908 - Bill made boomerang.
Feb 1916 - hazing incident Norwich University, Bill and sophomore class
suspended
Feb 1938 - Rockefeller gives $5,000 to AA. - Saves AA from
professionalization.
Feb 1939 - Dr Harry Tiebout, 1st Psychiatrist to endorse AA and use
in his practice.
Feb 1939 - Dr Howard of Montclair, NJ suggests swapping "you
musts"
for "we ought" in the Big Book.
Feb 1940 - 1st AA clubhouse opens at 334-1/2 West 24th Street, NYC.
Feb 1951 - Fortune magazine article about AA. New York reprints in
pamphlet form for many years.
Feb 1963 - Harpers carries article critical of AA.
Feb 1981 - 1st issue of "Markings" AA Archives Newsletter is
published.
Feb 1 or 2, 1942 - Ruth Hock, AA's 1st paid secretary, resigns to get
married.
Feb 8, 1940 - Rockefeller dinner.
Feb 8, 1940 - Houston Press ran first of 6 anonymous articles on AA
by Larry J.
Feb 9, 2002 - Sue Smith Windows, Dr Bob's daughter died.
Feb 11, 1937 - First New Jersey meeting was held at the home of Hank
P ("The Unbeliever" in the first edition). Some sources report
this
as happening Feb 13, 1937
Feb 11, 1938 - Clarence S. ("Home Brewmeister" 1st-3rd edition)
sobriety date.
Feb 14, 1971 - AA groups worldwide hold memorial service for Bill W.
Feb 14, 2000 - William Y., "California Bill" dies in Winston
Salem,
NC.
Feb 15, 1918 - Sue Smith Windows, Dr. Bob's adopted daughter, was
born.
Feb 15, 1941 - Baltimore Sunday Sun reported that the city's first AA
group, begun in June 1940, had grown from 3 to 40 members.
Feb 17, - Jim B contacted Charlie B, whom he had met once, some two
years before, at a New York AA meeting.
Feb 18, 1943 - During gas rationing in WWII, AA's are granted the
right to use cars for 12th step work in emergency cases.
Feb 19, 1967 - Father "John Doe" (Ralph P), 1st Catholic Priest in
AA
dies.
Feb 20, 1941 - The Toledo Blade published first of three articles on
AA by Seymour Rothman.
Feb 23, 1959 - AA granted "Recording for the Blind" permission to
tape the Big Book.
Feb 28, 1940 - First organization meeting of Philadelphia AA was held
at McCready Huston's room at 2209 Delancy Street.
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++++Message 3130. . . . . . . . . . . . Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
From: ny-aa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 5:09:00 PM
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It was interesting that we are discussing the prescription to
"Trust God, Clean House, Help Others" at the time the phrase
appears in the obituary of Ray OK. It is a clever way to speak
of his A.A. membership without actually mentioning Alcoholics
Anonymous:
... Following the credo: "Trust God, Clean House
and Help Others", Mr. [O'K] was active in many
organizations and fellowships. He was well known for
his work with the New York State Bar Association,
where he was Chairman of the Committee on Lawyer
Alcoholism. He also worked tirelessly on issues
relating to alcoholism in the legal profession
with the ABA and ILAA. ...
http://www.nyjnews.com/obituary/obit.php3?id=1912213
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++++Message 3131. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W and Dr. Bob
From: Jim S. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2006 2:30:00 PM
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I have asked these questions several times in my F2F meetings and
sponsor, I have even checked the internet.
How did Dr. Bob wind up in the back of the BB with the stories instead
of in the main section (164 pgs)?
I usually relate the important stuff to the first 181 pages.
Really don't understand why Dr. Bob isn't given more credit, except that
Bill was a salesman and Dr. Bob wasn't.
Thank you for being here,
Jim S/Pensacola, FL
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++++Message 3132. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: First woman was Jane S., not
Florence
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/4/2006 5:54:00 PM
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Hi Diz
As the eloquent John Wayne would have said "hold on there
pilgrim."
The first woman to arrive on the scene in AA (in 1935) was the
legendary "Lil" of the "Victor and Lil" duo in Akron, OH
(re "Dr Bob
and the Good Oldtimers pgs 97-98, 109, 241). "Lil" reputedly
sobered
up outside AA. However, it is said she never got far enough along to
attend a meeting.
I'm not sure if the dry dates of Florence R or Jane S can be stated
with certainty or precision. Take for example Dr Bob's stated dry date
(June 10, 1935)and the starting date of the AMA convention in Atlantic
City, when he had his last binge for a few days (also June 10, 1935).
"Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers" provides Jane S' relative dry date
through old-timer Bob E. On pg 101 it states "Bob E who came into AA
in February 1937" (then on pg 122) "remembered that Jane S was
making
the 35-mile trip to the meeting at T Henry's in 1937, about the same
time he started" [Jane's trip was from Cleveland to Akron]. Pg 241
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