(hesofine2day at yahoo.com)
Does anyone know the origin of "Does anyone have
a burning desire?" at the end of a meeting?
Also where did the expression "do the next right
thing" come from?
And finally saying "It works if you work it" after
the Lord's prayer.
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From the moderator:
I presume that Veda's reference to Dr. Paul's
story is referring to the next to last paragraph,
which says:
"Acceptance is the key to my relationship with
God today. I never just sit and do nothing
while waiting for Him to tell me what to do.
Rather, I do whatever is in front of me to be
done, and I leave the results up to Him; however
it turns out, that's God's will for me."
So on the basis of those two references to the
Big Book, it looks like we would have to say that
"It works if you work it" is not a precise
quotation from the Big Book, although it has
some parallels to the phrase "It works it
really does."
I would see it myself as more of an attempt
to summarize an important part of the message
at the beginning of chapter 5 in the Big Book,
where it says things such as "Rarely have we
seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed
our path" and "If you have decided you want
what we have and are willing to go to any
length to get it -- then you are ready to
take certain steps."
And "do the next right thing" is also not a
precise quotation from the Big Book, although
it could be regarded as a summary of the next
to last paragraph of Dr. Paul's story.
The problem here is that, if "do the next right
thing" was already circulating as an AA slogan
prior to the publication of the third edition
of the Big Book in 1955, then what Dr. Paul
said could have been an expansion of the idea
contained in that AA slogan instead of vice
versa.
So far though, none of our members have given
us any information about WHEN "burning desire"
or "do the next right thing" or "it works if
you work it" first started being used as slogans
in AA circles, let alone who might have devised
these phrases.
Until we have at least some approximate dates,
we are, as Chuck points out, just guessing.
Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana)
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++++Message 3185. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "More will be revealed"
From: Chuck Parkhurst . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 5:00:00 AM
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Cheryl
Though the phrase "more will be revealed" is
heard way too frequently at AA meetings, it
appears nowhere in the basic text of the book
Alcoholics Anonymous. It is another example
of many people at our meetings claiming "the
Big Book says," when in fact our textbook says
nothing of the sort. The closest thing to that
expression in our book is on pg 164 and states
....."God will constantly disclose more to you
and to us"
The way my sponsor explained it to me when I
first got sober was, I need not wait for more
to be revealed (when?!?) as opposed to knowing
that God will constantly disclose things to me,
providing I practice all the principles that the
program requires (our steps).
It is also my understanding that the phrase you
quoted is in the basic text of a book from
another 12-step program, Narcotics Anonymous.
Maybe someone more familiar with that fellowship's
literature can confirm that.
In Service With Gratitude,
Chuck Parkhurst
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++++Message 3186. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "More will be revealed"
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 8:46:00 AM
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Hi Cheryl,
I'd say that this was probably suggested by the next to last paragraph in
"A Vision for You," in the Big Book. It says, "We realize we
know only a
little. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. Ask Him in
your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who is still
sick. The answers will come, if your own house is in order."
Mel Barger
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++++Message 3187. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Young People''s Group- 4021
Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 8:32:00 AM
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The October 1944 Cleveland, Ohio Central Bulletin
mentions formation that month of "The Young
People's Group." Was this the first such group?
I do not know.
In a talk in Akron, historian Ernie Kurtz said
that historians refer to the word "first" as
the "f-word."
_________________________
From the moderator: October 1944 is earlier
than the other citations we have received
from members of this group.
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++++Message 3188. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Young People''s Group- 4021
Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 10:02:00 AM
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At 23:22 2/13/2006 , Mitchell K. wrote:
>The October 1944 issue of the Cleveland (Ohio) Central
>Bulletin announced the first Young People's meeting:
>"Age is no barrier if you wish to participate in the
>meeting of one of the newest groups, organized in
>October. The group calls itself the Young People's
>Group and it was formed by several of the younger
>A.A.'s...20's - 30's. But they stress the fact that
>they do not exclude 'oldsters' from their meetings."
>
>The group met on Wednesdays at 8:30 PM in the West
>Side Evangelical Hall on West 38th Street and Bridge.
>
Mitchell,
Did the meeting survive, as in continue?
The reason I ask is I know of several similar meetings in my local area
that were started but never "took" and petered out after a
relatively brief
time, on the order of months.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3189. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: God as we understand Him
From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 10:33:00 AM
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Big Book page 12
"My friend suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said, 'Why don't
you choose your own conception of God?'"
Curious how seldom when this topic gets discussed that Bill's grandfather's
influence, from just two pages earlier, is forgotten.
Big Book page 10
" He talked for hours. Childhood memories rose before me. I could
almost hear
the
sound of the preacher's voice as I sat, on still Sundays, way over
there on the
hillside; there was that proffered temperance pledge I never signed; my
grandfather's
good natured contempt of some church folk and their doings; his insistence
that
the
spheres really had their music; but his denial of the preacher's right
to tell
him
how he must listen; his fearlessness as he spoke of these things just before
he
died;
these recollections welled up from the past. They made me swallow hard.
"
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++++Message 3190. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill D.
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 9:49:00 AM
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Hi Ernie,
In November, 1952, I spent the better part of a day with Bill D., who was
AA Number Three. I don't believe he withheld his personal story from the
First Edition because he wanted to be paid for it. He was not that kind of
a guy. My recollection is that he was not excited by the book project and
may have even thought it wasn't necessary. But he did tell me that Bill W.
had come out to Akron and recorded his story for the next edition. I
believe today that the Bill D. story we see in the Big Book was written by
Bill W. from the information he taped and wouldn't have been produced if
Bill W. hadn't taken the initiative in recording Bill D.'s story. Of
course, Bill W. would have then cleared it with Bill D. for accuracy, etc.
For Bill W., that probably meant lugging one of those old-fashioned reel
recorders all the way out to Akron, but it was something he obviously
considered necessary.
Bill D. was a kindly, friendly man who was much loved as the Grand Old Man
of AA in Akron, a role he seemed to have following Dr. Bob's death. But he
didn't have Bill W.'s drive and vision. Maybe that's just as well, as he
never seemed to create trouble for Bill and Bob in their efforts to enlarge
the fellowship. He did have mixed feelings about Bill W., and may have felt
that Bill was getting too much credit. I had heard him called "The
Guinea
Pig," but it was clear he didn't like this term. It turns out that Bill
W.
used it one day when they were all on the platform at a large meeting, and
he appeared to resent it. Bill W. also told me that Bill D.'s feelings
about him were "ambivalent," so Bill D. wasn't entirely in Bill
W.'s corner.
But he did cooperate with Bill W. on important matters and was even the
first delegate from the Akron area.
Bill D. had a marveous wife, Henrietta, whose prayers and support were
probably a factor in his getting sober. She was a matron at the Akron City
Workhouse, and I even visited her in her office there in 1958. She was
still living in 1980 just after "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers"
was
published. I went out to visit her and even read portions of the book that
applied to her and Bill D. By that time, she was blind and living with her
son and his family. I find myself almost in tears when I recall that visit.
Mel Barger
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Responding to the message from Ernie K.:
Mel and interested others,
Back when I was doing research at GSO in 1976,
Nell Wing for sure and, I think, trustee George G.
told me that Bill D's story was not in the first
edition because he wanted to be paid for it.
At best third-hand hearsay to you, but . . . .
ernie k.
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++++Message 3191. . . . . . . . . . . . Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 9:57:00 PM
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I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi)
preamble, Dallas, Texas.
She wrote the story "Flower of the South."
She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas.
Anybody have any idea how many different AA
talks there are by her which are still
obtainable??
LD Pierce
editor aabibliograpy.com
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++++Message 3192. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/18/2006 9:07:00 AM
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Hi Sunny,
Maybe you are thinking of the current article, "A Buck in the
Basket" in
the February 2006 Grapevine. The author, Jack H., is actually suggesting
two bucks, in view of growing inflation and rising expenses for groups.
Jack is a friend of mine and worked real hard to get that article published.
I am still having a hard time upping my contributions to $2, but I'm sure
I'll get to that point soon.
Mel Barger
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++++Message 3193. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson and Sister Ignatia -
Longbeach Convention?
From: Mike and Sarah . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 10:19:00 AM
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Hello Steve -
Yes, she did.
Mike D.
Houston, TX
SETA Archives
__________________________
From: Steve Leeds
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bill Wilson and
Sister Ignatia - Longbeach Convention?
Hey All,
I have a cassette tape that is marked Sister
Ignatia and Bill Wilson -Longbeach Convention.
The recording is old and it's obviously Bill but
I am looking for confermation that the womens
voice is that of Sister Ignatia. Could anyone
confirm that she did speak with Bill at that
convention?
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++++Message 3194. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support
From: Jerry Oys . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 7:29:00 PM
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--- sunnykhill12 wrote:
> Was there an article in the Grapevine or in some
> other publication
> that suggested a $1 per meeting donation in the
> meeting basket? If
> so, what year was it published. I am seeing my Area
> and District
> struggle financially because groups only have enough
> money to cover
> their own expenses with the $1 mentality.
> Any information would help - I have been asked to
> do a self-support
> workshop.
> Thanks,
> Sunny H.
> Little Rock, AR
>
> There are many Grapeviine articles addressing Self
-Support written by Bill W. and I belive others. If
you subscribe to the Grapevine for $10.00 a year you
can acess the Grapevine Digital archives and do a
search on Self- Support and they will all popup.
>
> FYI - The idea or thought suggesting the putting of
$2.00 in the basket as it was passed around the room
or table appeared in a Grapevine Article in 1950 by
Bill.
>
> In the time period of 1986 / 1990 and possibly later
GSO produced a green binder titled Self Support. It
contained various pieces of materiasl. The most
significant piece to me is the piece titled The
Challage of the Seventh Tradition. GSO also prouduced
a flyer showing a hand with 2 $1.00 bills haging from
it. Which believe was in the same time period. I
have the binder in my posession. I hope this helps
you in your venture. Sometimes Quickly ,Sometimes
Slowly. In I Alcoohlics Anonymous have learned from
my experience that We can't hear until we can hear and
We can't see until we can see!
In
Service
Jerry
Southern MN.
Area 36 Archivist
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++++Message 3195. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: movie slang
From: johnlawlee . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 8:33:00 PM
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Never heard the cliche, "Do the next right thing" until the Spike
Lee
movie "Do the Right Thing" was released in 1989. It's street
slang,
the type commonly used by professional athletes as they're leaving
their third halfway house. No God. No Steps. Just me, deciding what
the next right thing might be. Managing my life again, just like the
old days.
john lee
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++++Message 3196. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: "More will be revealed"
From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 10:50:00 PM
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Chapter Ten of Narcotics Anonymous, commonly referred to as the Basic Text,
is titled More Will Be Revealed. It is the last chapter in Book One of the
text, which contains the program of Narcotics Anonymous. Book Two contains
the personal stories.
Chris
Raleigh, NC
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++++Message 3197. . . . . . . . . . . . The Late Liz
From: billyk . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 4:40:00 AM
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i checked out this web site and also the IMB (internet movie
database). the movie "the late liz" indeed was made in 1971
and starred ann baxter (extremely well acclaimed actress as
would be attested by our history lover elders).
i've never seen the movie and so my question is (and i'm
asking anyone), should this movie be added to our history
lover's database. it would seem so.
any input would be appreciated - direct them to me as to not
clog up the group mail (billyk3@yahoo.com).
thanks - be good to yourselves,
billyk
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++++Message 3198. . . . . . . . . . . . Does anyone remember "The Happiness
Exchange"?
From: Gene . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 2:47:00 PM
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When I was a depressed kid I'd stay up at night unable to sleep and
listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold time
after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a
show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York.
I learned that he coined the expression...
"One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"...
I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his
life...
Does anyone know more about him?
I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall
quietly
weeping alone in my room.
It keeps getting better
Gene in Westchester
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++++Message 3199. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support
From: billyk . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 5:02:00 AM
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i have to comment here. one of my sponsors once told me
that since i was one of the lucky ones that didn't lose
the wife, family, house etc., and that i was 'doing okay',
i should put in the basket what i spent of booze. well...
if that were the case, our clubhouse would be adding a
mighty fine addition to the building.
but i read that article too (in grapevine, feb 2006) and i
thought it was well written and really brought home the
fact that inflation really has been ignored. and maybe,
people should up their donation to $2 if just once in a while.
but, something i learned from a close friend in the fellowship.
i give exactly a dollar a day. if it's been 3 days since
my last meeting, i give $4 (which is usually a five cause i
don't have four ones). and i always look for the opportunity
to do a little more like buy the newcomer a big book or support
a clubhouse activity (any clubhouse-not just mine).
i can't put a price on my sobriety, but the fact remains that
in this world, rent, coffee, materials, etc., all costs money.
that fellow who wrote the grapevine article said it all at the
end. "i am responsible......" and i accept that responsibilty
with a glad heart.
billyk
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++++Message 3200. . . . . . . . . . . . Silkworth''s theory
From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/19/2006 2:27:00 PM
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Hi history lovers, can you please tell us if any of the other doctors
at the Charles Townes Hospital agreed or disagreed with Dr Silkworth's
allergy theory, thank you.
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++++Message 3201. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: "More will be revealed"
From: Julie . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 3:00:00 AM
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Found it in alanon book.
"How Alanon Works" on page 68 under Easy Does It
"If the time is right, more will be revealed."
Chris Budnick wrote: Chapter Ten of Narcotics
Anonymous, commonly referred to as the Basic Text,
is titled More Will Be Revealed. It is the last chapter in Book One of the
text, which contains the program of Narcotics Anonymous. Book Two contains
the personal stories.
Chris
Raleigh, NC
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++++Message 3202. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Does anyone remember "The
Happiness Exchange"?
From: rfuhrman1011@comcast.net> . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 10:40:00
AM
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http://www.440.com/favesw.html this is web site about the history of AM
radio and mentions Big Joe
Rob Fuhrman
Huntington, IN
-----Original Message-----
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:47 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Does anyone remember "The Happiness
Exchange"?
When I was a depressed kid I'd stay up at night unable to sleep and
listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold time
after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a
show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York.
I learned that he coined the expression...
"One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"...
I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his
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