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hi history lovers, Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol on his brain?"
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the chapters at the beginning of the book.
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AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3263. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Crooked thinking From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 11:43:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bill didn't write the chapter "To Employers" (just the first paragraph). Hank P wrote the chapter. I don't get a sense that the Big Book was written in the manner or with the intent that is often presumed in analyzing it (perhaps over-analyzing it might be a better way of putting it).
appears sincere, but flawed in its analytical gymnastics. It does little more than open the door to what can be an endless amount of speculation that serves more to distract rather than inform. Many Big Book chapters have a specific target audience (usually denoted in the chapter titles). In this case it's employers. The underlying assumption that the importance of a sentence is somehow enhanced or diminished by its appearance in an early or later part of the book is a flawed assumption being treated as fact.
at many meetings comes from its 5th chapter "How It Works." Trust me, there is no need to move this chapter further toward the beginning of the book to emphasize its importance. It stands on its own content as do all the other chapters. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlene C. Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:57 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking
intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that time, when alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a spiritual mallody or terminal illness. just a thought. C. Cook
hi history lovers,
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a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol on his brain?" One of our members asked why would Bill put such an important piece of information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the chapters at the beginning of the book. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Tracy The Barking Big Book Study Group England
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From: sbanker914@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 5:29:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jct3@juno.com writes:
Did Bill Wilson have a mistress who lived in Miami? I found the following from Nan Robertson's book: . . . quotes Nan Robertson, author of Getting Better: Inside Alcoholics Anonymous (1988), as follows: "Particularly during his sober decades in AA in the forties, fifties, and
sixties, Bill Wilson was a compulsive womanizer. His flirtations and his adulterous behavior filled him with guilt, but he continued to stray off the reservation. His last and most serious love affair . . . began when he was in his sixties. She was important to him until the end of his life, and was remembered in a financial agreement with AA. (p. 36)" This last mistress, Helen W., actually received 1.5% of the royalties from the Big Book after Bill's death. As for Bill's wife, Lois, "she never mentioned his philandering," writes Robertson in this history of AA's founders. Susan Banker NYC
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3265. . . . . . . . . . . . There'' s Nothing The Matter With Me From: David A Putnam . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 8:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In this story we read that the author drink "Sneaky Pete, Bayzo, Canned Heat and Shoe Polish. I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone enlightem me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is? Thanks, Dave P Westmont Illinois Monday Night Big Book Meeting
From: Lee Nickerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 10:11:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In a taped interview with Jimmy D. (Sober since 1947, died 1999) of Portland, Maine, he told me that Arthur W. gave out medallions to his pigeons. He apparently started this practice in 1946 after the Portland Group (still going) got started. Jimmy donated his medallions to the archives. Arthur got these from a company called Bright Star Press which at the time was in Illinois and I believe moved to Texas. I am not saying that the practice of medallions started here, just that this is the earliest I have heard of it in Maine. I also had an old timer tell me that they used to give out nickels to make phone calls.
lee IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3267. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Stump the Archivist" From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 10:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At 19:01 3/16/2006 , James Blair wrote: > JANUARY 2006 STUMP THE ARCHIVIST > > Did Bill Wilson have a mistress who lived in Miami? > >Who he bonked or didn't bonk has nothing to do with AA history. > > When and where did the poker chip tradition start for the groups? > >Chips, Medallions and Birthdays > >
> > >The traditions of chips, medallions and birthdays vary in different parts of >the country and I thought it would be interesting to look up some of the >history on them. >
birthdays/anniversaries. They are local traditions and not part of A.A.
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From: Joe Nugent . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 3:48:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "Bayzo" was a term first used during prohibition to describe someone who drank bay rum, because of its high alcohol content.
smell.
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David A Putnam Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:02 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] There' s Nothing The Matter With Me
Heat and Shoe Polish. I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone enlightem me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is? Thanks, Dave P Westmont Illinois Monday Night Big Book Meeting IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3269. . . . . . . . . . . . Sneaky Pete and Bayzo From: prpllady51 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 4:04:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Sneaky Pete was slang for a pint bottle of cheap muscatel with grain alcohol added to pump up the proof to 40. It cost around 35 cents and was a flat bottle, which would fit in one's back pocket.
Parkway West Pittsburgh PA
In this story we read that the author drink "Sneaky Pete, Bayzo, Canned Heat and Shoe Polish. I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone enlightem me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is?
Westmont Illinois Monday Night Big Book Meeting
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 8:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Lee wrote He apparently started this practice in 1946 after the Portland Group (still going) got started. Jimmy donated his medallions to the archives. Arthur got these from a company called Bright Star Press which at the time was in Illinois and I believe moved to Texas.
Jim
++++Message 3271. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stump the Archivists From: Carter Elliott . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 8:28:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII As Bill Sees It contains thirty-one entries sourced to "Letter, 1966". Do we know if this letter was a single, philosophical essay or letters collected from
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From: johnlawlee . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 12:28:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "ArtSheehan" wrote:
> > Bill didn't write the chapter "To Employers" (just the first > paragraph). Hank P wrote the chapter. > > I don't get a sense that the Big Book was written in the manner or > with the intent that is often presumed in analyzing it (perhaps > over-analyzing it might be a better way of putting it). > > The member who asked the question is using a form of reasoning that > appears sincere, but flawed in its analytical gymnastics. It does > little more than open the door to what can be an endless amount of > speculation that serves more to distract rather than inform. > > Many Big Book chapters have a specific target audience (usually > denoted in the chapter titles). In this case it's employers. > > The underlying assumption that the importance of a sentence is somehow > enhanced or diminished by its appearance in an early or later part of > the book is a flawed assumption being treated as fact. > > The most popular, and perhaps important, portion of the Big Book, read > at many meetings comes from its 5th chapter "How It Works." Trust me,
> there is no need to move this chapter further toward the beginning of > the book to emphasize its importance. It stands on its own content as > do all the other chapters. > > Cheers
> Arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlene C. > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:57 PM > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking > > it would be my guess that employers are more inclined to think in > intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that > time, when alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a > spiritual mallody or terminal illness. > > just a thought. > C. Cook > > Hank Parkhurst is generally cited as the author of "To Employers" [Chapter 10 of Big Book]. I've always found that hard
to believe, based on the contrast between the divergent styles of Chapter 10 and Hank's story in the First Edition. Hank's story, "The Unbeliever" is choppy, almost manic. It's filled with elipses,exclamations, etc. I've always suspected that Bill Wilson did the actual writing of Chapter 10, although Hank supplied many of the ideas for Chapter 10. Bill, Hank and Ruth Hock shared a small office in Newark when they put together the Big Book. I don't see any language in Hank's story which is similar to the content or style of Chapter 10. Bill was very generous in giving credit for the contributions of others; for instance, Bill referred to William James as a "founder" of AA, even though Professor James had been dead for
decades when AA was founded. The authors of Chapter 10 are laying out a big order for employers. They're asking employers to read the Big Book and use it to "12 step"
their employees. I don't see any information in Chapter 10 which is inconsistent with the first five chapters. The intended audience was different. It's not a different message. john lee
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