wrote:
hi history lovers,
Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been
a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol
on his brain?"
One of our members asked why would Bill put such an important piece of
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the
chapters at the beginning of the book.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from Tracy
The Barking Big Book Study Group
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++++Message 3263. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Crooked thinking
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 11:43:00 AM
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Bill didn't write the chapter "To Employers" (just the first
paragraph). Hank P wrote the chapter.
I don't get a sense that the Big Book was written in the manner or
with the intent that is often presumed in analyzing it (perhaps
over-analyzing it might be a better way of putting it).
The member who asked the question is using a form of reasoning that
appears sincere, but flawed in its analytical gymnastics. It does
little more than open the door to what can be an endless amount of
speculation that serves more to distract rather than inform.
Many Big Book chapters have a specific target audience (usually
denoted in the chapter titles). In this case it's employers.
The underlying assumption that the importance of a sentence is somehow
enhanced or diminished by its appearance in an early or later part of
the book is a flawed assumption being treated as fact.
The most popular, and perhaps important, portion of the Big Book, read
at many meetings comes from its 5th chapter "How It Works." Trust
me,
there is no need to move this chapter further toward the beginning of
the book to emphasize its importance. It stands on its own content as
do all the other chapters.
Cheers
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlene C.
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:57 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking
it would be my guess that employers are more inclined to think in
intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that
time, when alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a
spiritual mallody or terminal illness.
just a thought.
C. Cook
trixiebellaa wrote:
hi history lovers,
Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has
been
a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol
on his brain?"
One of our members asked why would Bill put such an important piece of
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the
chapters at the beginning of the book.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from Tracy
The Barking Big Book Study Group
England
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Alcoholics anonymous
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++++Message 3264. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Stump the Archivist"
From: sbanker914@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 5:29:00 AM
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In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jct3@juno.com
writes:
Did Bill Wilson have a mistress who lived in Miami?
I found the following from Nan Robertson's book:
. . . quotes Nan Robertson, author of Getting Better: Inside Alcoholics
Anonymous (1988), as follows:
"Particularly during his sober decades in AA in the forties, fifties,
and
sixties, Bill Wilson was a compulsive womanizer. His flirtations and his
adulterous behavior filled him with guilt, but he continued to stray off the
reservation. His last and most serious love affair . . . began when he was
in
his
sixties. She was important to him until the end of his life, and was
remembered
in
a financial agreement with AA. (p. 36)"
This last mistress, Helen W., actually received 1.5% of the royalties from
the Big Book after Bill's death. As for Bill's wife, Lois,
"she never
mentioned
his philandering," writes Robertson in this history of AA's
founders.
Susan Banker
NYC
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++++Message 3265. . . . . . . . . . . . There'' s Nothing The Matter With Me
From: David A Putnam . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 8:01:00 PM
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In this story we read that the author drink "Sneaky Pete, Bayzo, Canned
Heat and Shoe Polish.
I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone enlightem
me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is?
Thanks,
Dave P
Westmont Illinois
Monday Night Big Book Meeting
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++++Message 3266. . . . . . . . . . . . medallions
From: Lee Nickerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 10:11:00 AM
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In a taped interview with Jimmy D. (Sober since 1947, died 1999) of
Portland, Maine, he told me that Arthur W. gave out medallions to his
pigeons. He apparently started this practice in 1946 after the
Portland Group (still going) got started. Jimmy donated his medallions
to the archives. Arthur got these from a company called Bright Star
Press which at the time was in Illinois and I believe moved to Texas.
I am not saying that the practice of medallions started here, just
that this is the earliest I have heard of it in Maine. I also had an
old timer tell me that they used to give out nickels to make phone
calls.
lee
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++++Message 3267. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Stump the Archivist"
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/17/2006 10:55:00 PM
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At 19:01 3/16/2006 , James Blair wrote:
> JANUARY 2006 STUMP THE ARCHIVIST
>
> Did Bill Wilson have a mistress who lived in Miami?
>
>Who he bonked or didn't bonk has nothing to do with AA history.
>
> When and where did the poker chip tradition start for the groups?
>
>Chips, Medallions and Birthdays
>
>
>
>
>
>The traditions of chips, medallions and birthdays vary in different
parts of
>the country and I thought it would be interesting to look up some of the
>history on them.
>
Neither do the traditions of chips, medallions, and
birthdays/anniversaries. They are local traditions and not part of A.A.
Tommy in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3268. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: There'' s Nothing The Matter
With Me
From: Joe Nugent . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 3:48:00 PM
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"Bayzo" was a term first used during prohibition to describe
someone who
drank bay rum, because of its high alcohol content.
Bay rum was used as an aftershave, and has that distinctive old school
smell.
_____
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David A Putnam
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:02 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] There' s Nothing The Matter With Me
In this story we read that the author drink "Sneaky Pete, Bayzo, Canned
Heat and Shoe Polish.
I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone enlightem
me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is?
Thanks,
Dave P
Westmont Illinois
Monday Night Big Book Meeting
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++++Message 3269. . . . . . . . . . . . Sneaky Pete and Bayzo
From: prpllady51 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 4:04:00 PM
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Sneaky Pete was slang for a pint bottle of cheap muscatel with grain
alcohol added to pump up the proof to 40. It cost around 35 cents
and was a flat bottle, which would fit in one's back pocket.
Bayzo was the slang for Bay Rum. Bay rum was used as an aftershave.
Jocelyn
Parkway West
Pittsburgh PA
David A Putnam wrote:
In this story we read that the author drink "Sneaky Pete, Bayzo,
Canned
Heat and Shoe Polish.
I know what canned heat and shoe polish is, but can someone
enlightem
me as to what Sneaky Pete and Bayzo is?
Thanks,
Dave P
Westmont Illinois
Monday Night Big Book Meeting
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++++Message 3270. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: medallions
From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 8:09:00 PM
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Lee wrote
He apparently started this practice in 1946 after the
Portland Group (still going) got started. Jimmy donated his medallions to
the archives. Arthur got these from a company called Bright Star Press
which at the time was in Illinois and I believe moved to Texas.
Brigh Star's web site claims that they went into business in 1950.
Jim
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++++Message 3271. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stump the Archivists
From: Carter Elliott . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 8:28:00 PM
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As Bill Sees It contains thirty-one entries sourced to "Letter,
1966". Do we
know if this letter was a single, philosophical essay or letters collected
from
his general correspondence?
Carter E., Blacksburg, VA
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++++Message 3272. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: authorship of Chapter 10
From: johnlawlee . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/18/2006 12:28:00 PM
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--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "ArtSheehan"
wrote:
>
> Bill didn't write the chapter "To Employers" (just the first
> paragraph). Hank P wrote the chapter.
>
> I don't get a sense that the Big Book was written in the manner or
> with the intent that is often presumed in analyzing it (perhaps
> over-analyzing it might be a better way of putting it).
>
> The member who asked the question is using a form of reasoning that
> appears sincere, but flawed in its analytical gymnastics. It does
> little more than open the door to what can be an endless amount of
> speculation that serves more to distract rather than inform.
>
> Many Big Book chapters have a specific target audience (usually
> denoted in the chapter titles). In this case it's employers.
>
> The underlying assumption that the importance of a sentence is
somehow
> enhanced or diminished by its appearance in an early or later part
of
> the book is a flawed assumption being treated as fact.
>
> The most popular, and perhaps important, portion of the Big Book,
read
> at many meetings comes from its 5th chapter "How It Works."
Trust
me,
> there is no need to move this chapter further toward the beginning
of
> the book to emphasize its importance. It stands on its own content
as
> do all the other chapters.
>
> Cheers
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlene C.
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:57 PM
> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking
>
> it would be my guess that employers are more inclined to think in
> intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that
> time, when alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a
> spiritual mallody or terminal illness.
>
> just a thought.
> C. Cook
>
> Hank Parkhurst is generally cited as the author of
"To Employers" [Chapter 10 of Big Book]. I've always found that
hard
to believe, based on the contrast between the divergent styles of
Chapter 10 and Hank's story in the First Edition. Hank's story, "The
Unbeliever" is choppy, almost manic. It's filled with
elipses,exclamations, etc. I've always suspected that Bill Wilson did
the actual writing of Chapter 10, although Hank supplied many of the
ideas for Chapter 10. Bill, Hank and Ruth Hock shared a small office
in Newark when they put together the Big Book. I don't see any
language in Hank's story which is similar to the content or style of
Chapter 10. Bill was very generous in giving credit for the
contributions of others; for instance, Bill referred to William James
as a "founder" of AA, even though Professor James had been dead
for
decades when AA was founded.
The authors of Chapter 10 are laying out a big order for employers.
They're asking employers to read the Big Book and use it to "12
step"
their employees. I don't see any information in Chapter 10 which is
inconsistent with the first five chapters. The intended audience was
different. It's not a different message.
john lee
member
pittsburgh
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