Hugh H.
very close resemblance to the first.
From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2006 5:51:00 PM
relgious background as Swendengorgians. Since he and Lois lived so many
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2006 11:06:00 AM
rate. I do know that we get lots of people who just
real college try.
Mel Barger
___________________________________
From the moderator:
Mel,
Arthur S. (Arlington, Texas) and Tom E. (Wappingers
statistics, both early and modern.
their fourth month. But 56% of those who get
the year.
in AA, and seeing what actually happens.
That is not too bad, because that is an overall
26% success rate measured over the first year.
getting better and better. We're doing twice as
well now as we were back in 1977. At this point,
sobriety.
In 1977: 37% of the people attending AA meetings
in the program.
in the program.
sobriety. As a result, in 1977 the average AA
average had risen to over 8 years sobriety.
sobriety. AA teaching is based, not on airy
observation.
because nobody had that much. By 1955, there were
things from their experience. They weren't stupid.
years of sobriety.
Some of the things that looked like good ideas back
of sobriety.
early AA. I never thought I would write these
words (gasp!), but look at those statistics above.
On the other hand, maybe part of this increase in
and so on.
Glenn Chesnut
From: Fritz689 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2006 8:55:00 AM
(Fritz689@adelphia.net)
your pertinent information and I can make
arrangements for your copy to be sent to you.
All proceeds from copies of this film go to the
Dr. Bob's House Foundation.
I live a short distance from Dr. Bob's in Akron
and visit there often, enjoying the opportunity
to help others enjoy what I have found there.
Gratefully Yours,
Fred Ings
2404 E. 29th St.
Lorain, Ohio 44055
______________________________
Robert Stonebraker
(rstonebraker212 at insightbb.com) wrote:
Our Big Book Step Study Group in Richmond, IN,
spends the first two Tuesdays studying AA history -
we show a short movie, "DAWN OF HOPE"
and sometimes "A HOUSE FULL OF MIRACLES"
from Dr. Bob's Home.
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++++Message 3396. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Are there AA literature reviews?
aa bibliography site
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2006 1:29:00 PM
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my site www.aabibliography.com
is just exactly this type of site
look for the beginners book list page
you can print it in pdf
http://www.aabibliography.com/beginnersbooks.htm
LD Pierce
aa history nut
dallas tx
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++++Message 3397. . . . . . . . . . . . Bob Ps Exit Letter...
From: erb2b . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2006 3:41:00 PM
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HI.. Im in an interesting club here in Minnesota these days. I"d like
to post a copy of Bob Pearsons our former (General Manager at GSO)
letter about "Rigidity" in AA in it. Since i have retired from
Archives International i have put my archives away but need a copy of
Bobs letter. Would some please email that to me? Thanks!!
Corey F.
(erb2b at yahoo.com)
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++++Message 3398. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hazelden Foundation and book
publishing
From: Danny S . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2006 4:35:00 PM
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This should shed some more light without me explaining. This is from
Writers Market, a service for authors and writers:
About HAZELDEN PUBLISHING AND EDUCATIONAL SERVICES:
Hazelden is a trade, educational and professional publisher
specializing is psychology, self-help, and spiritual books that help
enhance the quality of people's lives. Products include gift books,
curriculum, workbooks, audio and video, computer-based products, and
wellness products. "We specialize in books on addiction/recovery,
spirituality/personal growth, and prevention topics related to
chemical and mental health."
Freelance Facts:
Established: 1954
Publishes trade paperback originals and educational materials (videos,
workbooks, pamphlets, etc.) for treatment centers, schools, hospitals,
and correctional institutions.
Publishes 100 titles/year.
Receives 2,500 queries/year.
Receives 2,000 manuscripts/year.
30% of books from first time authors.
50% of books from unagented writers.
Pays 8% royalty on retail price
Offers variable advance.
Peace,
Danny S
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++++Message 3399. . . . . . . . . . . . How did Ebby know that Bill W. was
in such trouble?
From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2006 8:22:00 AM
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Hi History lovers,
Can anyone tell us how Ebby Thacher learned that
Bill Wilson was in trouble with his drinking?
Thanks
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++++Message 3400. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Was Bill a Swedenborgian?
From: Trysh Travis . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2006 5:47:00 PM
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This thread prompts me to ask a question that has been on my mind for
some time, which is about Bill's mother, Emily Wilson, and her studies
in osteopathic medicine. I have not been able to learn much about the
specific course of her study in Boston, or about how she might have
communicated her ideas to Bill later in life. But there are overlaps
between osteopathy and not only Swedenborgianism but also (and perhaps
more directly) the mind-cure and New Thought religions that flourished
in Boston in the late 19th century. Dick B. has written some about
early AA's connections to New Thought, but I wonder if there is much
informaton available about Emily Wilson's training in osteopathy, her
exposure to New Thought and other Swedenborgian-derived philosophies in
Boston, and any communications she might've had with Bill on these
topics? Trysh Travis
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++++Message 3401. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: link for directions to Stepping
Stones in Bedford Hills, N.Y.
From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2006 9:09:00 PM
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Please note that the correct address is Katonah, not Bedford Hills. The AA
literature
indicates that Bill and Lois lived in Bedford Hills. If you drive around
Bedford Hills, you'll see some nice houses and trees, but you won't find
Stepping Stones. Katonah is the next town.
john lee
Gene wrote:
Here from the Stepping Stones web site is a link for "mapquest"
directions to Bill and Lois' house...
http://www.steppingstones.org/map.ivnu
Near Katonah, N.Y. Rt 684 is the big highway close by...easy to get
to...
Plan on coming....
Gene in Westchester
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++++Message 3402. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How did Ebby know that Bill W.
was in such trouble?
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2006 8:32:00 PM
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From Mel Barger and Les Cole
___________________________________
FROM: "Mel Barger"
(melb at accesstoledo.com)
Hi Trixie,
The information I had was that Ebby, while staying at Calvary Mission, had
visited friends in Wall Street offices and was told about Bill's situation.
We can assume that these were friends both Ebby and Bill had known in better
days. Ebby, though sober only two or three months, then called Lois and was
invited to come over, though she might not have told Bill about the call.
That resulted in Ebby's dropping in on Bill and finding him in a very
drunken condition, as related in Bill's Story in the Big Book.
Ebby stayed sober for 2-1/2 years and then drank again in 1937. He had
frequent troubles for a number of years, though he was also employed at
times and did well for short stretches. In 1953, an AA friend bought him an
airline ticket for Dallas, where he was treated at Searcey W.'s clinic. He
stayed in Texas until 1961 and reportedly had his longest period of sobriety
there.
As the author of "Ebby: The Man Who Sponsored Bill W.," I felt
considerable gratitude for Ebby's action in helping Bill, which benefited
all of us. He had many personal demons to battle, but he did succeed at
various times. He was sober the last 2-1/2 years of his life and received
excellent care from Mickey and Margaret McPike, who treated alcoholics in a
comfortable old farmhouse near Galway, New York. He died in 1966.
Mel Barger
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FROM: "LES COLE"
(elsietwo at msn.com)
Hello trixiebella.... I'm sure that many in the group
will answer you in depth, but the simple answer is that
they were lifelong drinking buddies. Each knew the
other's problems. There are details in PASS IT ON and
other books.
Les C.
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++++Message 3403. . . . . . . . . . . . MYSQL project venture
From: Jim . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/27/2006 12:40:00 AM
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For the benefit of group members who maintain AA
history web sites and web sites which provide
AA reference sources:
Hi Group! I'd like to add a feature to silkworth.net that requires knowledge
of
MYSQL, which I have none, though I have attempted in the past to no
avail.I'd
like to give the visitor to silkworth.net the ability to add, update, edit
files
to specific files/categories, such as general AA history (pre, past, present
andamp; possible future), local/regional/etc..aa histories, AA legalities
and the
like, to name just a few.I just don't know how to do the initial setup with
MYSQL. The software is considered freeware/GNU, and I have already
downloaded it
to my machine - not yet uploaded to the server. I would like to set it up
similar to this site with same functions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Francis_of_Assisialong with the search
feature. I have no idea how much is involved in such a venture.Is there
anyone
in the group who has knowledge of MYSQL and would be willing to help me out
with
this? Or possibly fill me in on the
positives/negatives - why I should or should not pursue this?
Ever Grateful,Jim M,Winston-Salem, North Carolinahttp://silkworth.net/
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++++Message 3404. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Bob Ps Exit Letter...
From: Joe Nugent . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2006 7:31:00 PM
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Hi Cory,
would this be what your looking for?
Joe N.
1986 GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE CLOSING TALK
by Bob Pearson
At the closing brunch on Saturday morning, Bob Pearson (G.S.O. senior
adviser), who is retiring early next year, gave a powerful and inspiring
closing talk (excerpted below) to the 36th Conference. (This talk was
rescheduled from Friday afternoon.)
Our greatest danger: rigidity
This is my 18th General Service Conference - the first two as a director of
the Grapevine and A.A.W.S., followed by four as a general service trustee.
In 1972, I rotated out completely, only to be called back two years later as
general manager of G.S.O., the service job I held until late 1984. Since the
1985 International Convention, of course, I have been senior adviser. This
is also my last Conference, so this is an emotionally charged experience.
I wish I had time to express my thanks to everyone to whom I am indebted for
my sobriety and for the joyous life with which I have been blessed for the
past nearly 25 years. But since this is obviously impossible, I will fall
back on the Arab saying that Bill quoted in his last message, "I thank
you
for your lives." For without your lives, I most certainly would have no
life at all, much less the incredibly rich life I have enjoyed.
Let me offer my thoughts about A.A.'s future. I have no truck with those
bleeding deacons who decry every change and view the state of the Fellowship
with pessimism and alarm. On the contrary, from my nearly quarter-century's
perspective, I see A.A. as larger, healthier, more dynamic, faster growing,
more global, more service-minded, more back-to-basics, and more spiritual -
by far - than when I came through the doors of my first meeting in
Greenwich, Connecticut, just one year after the famous Long Beach
Convention. A.A. has flourished beyond the wildest dreams of founding
members, though perhaps not of Bill himself, for he was truly visionary.
I echo those who feel that if this Fellowship ever falters or fails, it will
not be because of any outside cause. No, it will not be because of
treatment centers or
professionals in the field, or
non- Conference-approved literature, or
young people, or
the dually-addicted, or even
the "druggies" trying to come to our closed meetings.
If we stick close to our Traditions, Concepts, and Warranties, and if we
keep an open mind and an open heart, we can deal with these and any other
problems that we have or ever will have. If we ever falter and fail, it
will be simply because of us. It will be because we can't control our own
egos or get along well enough with each other. It will be because we have
too much fear and rigidity and not enough trust and common sense.
If you were to ask me what is the greatest danger facing A.A. today, I would
have to answer: the growing rigidity
the increasing demand for absolute answers to nit-picking questions;
pressure for G.S.O. to "enforce" our Traditions;
screening alcoholics at closed meetings;
prohibiting non- Conference-approved literature, i.e., "banning
books";
laying more and more rules on groups and members.
And in this trend toward rigidity, we are drifting farther and farther away
from our co- founders. Bill, in particular, must be spinning in his grave,
for he was perhaps the most permissive person I ever met.
Bob Pearson (senior adviser)
_____
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erb2b
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:42 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bob Ps Exit Letter...
HI.. Im in an interesting club here in Minnesota these days. I"d like
to post a copy of Bob Pearsons our former (General Manager at GSO)
letter about "Rigidity" in AA in it. Since i have retired from
Archives International i have put my archives away but need a copy of
Bobs letter. Would some please email that to me? Thanks!!
Corey F.
(erb2b at yahoo.com)
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++++Message 3405. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Was Bill a Swedenborgian?
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/27/2006 8:21:00 AM
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Hello Hugh
From what I can glean from readings, I'd conjecture that Bill was a
"closet
Christian." I don't mean to sound flippant but I don't know how else to
describe him in this area. Dr Bob was an Episcopalian.
In 1947 Bill W took instructions in the Catholic faith from Monsignor (later
Bishop) Fulton J Sheen. Bill was introduced to Bishop Sheen by Fulton and
Grace Oursler. Oursler, who wrote "The Greatest Story Ever Told"
and Bill
became very close friends and likely shared the same respect for
Christianity in general. Bill's instructions by Sheen lasted for about a
year after which Bill lost interest.
My sense (more a guess) is that Bill was strongly motivated by public
relations considerations to not directly associate with a specific
denomination. There are aspects of the AA program that really encompass the
common and altruistic threads of all religious denominations - except AA
folks insist on using the term "spiritual" instead of
"religious" as if
"religious" was a pejorative.
In regards to Swedenborgianism my guess is that Lois W would be a more
fruitful candidate for investigation than Bill given her grandfather's
influence.
Cheers
Arthur
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++++Message 3407. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: link for directions to Stepping
Stones in Bedford Hills, N.Y.
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/27/2006 7:30:00 PM
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I know of several instances in New England where one's mailing address is a
different town than where one lives. My family's summer camp is in the
Town of Derby but the mailing address is Newport.
I am told by someone who lived there that Bedford Hills, Bedford Village,
and Katonah are all in the Town of Bedford.
What town are Stepping Stones taxes paid to?
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
At 20:09 4/26/2006 , John Lee wrote:
>Please note that the correct address is Katonah, not Bedford Hills. The
AA
>literature
> indicates that Bill and Lois lived in Bedford Hills. If you drive
> around Bedford Hills, you'll see some nice houses and trees, but you
> won't find Stepping Stones. Katonah is the next town.
> john lee
>
>Gene wrote:
> Here from the Stepping Stones web site is a link for
"mapquest"
>directions to Bill and Lois' house...
>
>http://www.steppingstones.org/map.ivnu
>
>Near Katonah, N.Y. Rt 684 is the big highway close by...easy to get
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