(tandie02 at gmail.com)
Oops this may be a repeat , sorry.
I am new to this group and looking for some information.
I am looking for a book, an autobiography that my stepdad wrote
regarding his 40 years as a skid row wino.
Title: One's Too Many and a Thousand's Not Enough
Author: Frank Wallaston
Year : 1979
Publisher (this may be a vanity publisher not sure) Libra
I have managed to find this book in two libraries in Butte County
California but can;t seem to be able to find a copy I can buy. I am
newly sober (2 months) and know Franks book would add to my incentive
in my new journey.
Unfortunately Frank died (drunk and alone after 20 years sober) a
couple years ago and I lost my copy of the book years ago ... if anyone can
help
I would be forever grateful.
Thanks
Tanya
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++++Message 3558. . . . . . . . . . . . Significant July Dates in A.A.
History
From: chesbayman56 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/8/2006 11:31:00 PM
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Sorry To all for being late with this Monthly Post....
July 1939 - Warren C. joined A.A. Cleveland, caused debate because
he was not hospitalized.
July 1944 - Bob writes article for Grapevine "On Cultivating
Tolerance".
July 1962 - 'Victor E' cartoon first appeared in Grapevine. (somes
say May 1962).
July 1-3, 1960 - 25th Anniversary of AA in Long Beach, CA.
July 2-3, 1955 - 20th Anniversary Convention at St. Louis, MO. The
Three Legacies, of Recovery, Unity, and Service, turned over to the
movement by the old timers. AA comes of Age.
July 2, 1960 - Father Ed Dowling dies.
July 2, 1965 - "Best of Bill" and Pocket-Sized "12 and
12" 1st sold.
July 2, 1965 - 1st "La Vigne", Canadian Grapevine, published.
July 2-4, 1965 - 30th Anniversary of AA in Toronto. Adopted "I Am
Responsible."
July 2, 1993 - 50 years of AA celebrated in Canada.
July 2, 2000 - 20 millionth copy of Big Book given to Al-Anon in
Minneapolis, MN.
July 3-5, 1970 - 35th Anniversary of AA in Miami. "Declaration of
Unity". Bill's last public appearance.
July 3-6, 1980 - 45th Anniversary of AA in New Orleans. First true
marathon meeting was held.
July 3-6, 1980 - Gay AA's have own program at 40th AA Anniversary in
New Orleans.
July 4, 1939 - 1st AA meeting started in Flatbush, NY.
July 4-6, 1975 - 40th Anniversary of AA in Denver. Worlds largest
coffee server serves 1/2 million cups a day.
July 5-7, 1985 - 50th AA Anniversary in Montreal, Canada. Ruth Hock
given 5,000,000th Big Book. House of Seagrams flew their flags at
half mast for 3 days.
July 5-8, 1990 - 55th AA Anniversary in Seattle, WA. Nell Wing given
10,000,000th Big Book.
July 7, 1940 - Bill attends 1st Summer Session at School of Alcohol
Studies at Yale University.
July 8, 1940 - 1st AA Group formed in Dayton, Ohio.
July 10, 1941 - Texas newspaper publishes anonymous letter from
founding member of Texas AA Group. (Larry J)
July 11, 1960 - Time published article called "Passionately
Anonymous" on the 25th Convention.
July 14, 1939 - Dr Tiebout gives Big Book to Marty M. who promptly
throws it back at him.
July 15 1938 - 1st documented use name Alcoholics Anonymous, A.A.
archives letter Bill to Willard Richardson.
July 16, 1965 - Frank Amos, AA Non-Alcoholic Trustee, dies.
July 18 1938 - in letter to Dr. Richards at Johns Hopkins, Bill used
Alcoholics Anonymous as working title for Big Book and name for the
fellowship.
July 20, 1941 - First AA group formed in Seattle, Washington.
July 22, 1877 - Willian Duncan Silkworth born in Brooklyn, NY.
July 22, 1980 - Marty M. early AA woman and founder of NCADD dies.
July 23, 1940 - Philly AA's send 10% of kitty to Alcoholic
Foundation, sets precedent.
July 23, 1943 - New Haven CT Register reports arrival of AA's to
study with E M Jellinek.
July 24, 1943 - L.A. press reports formation of all-Mexican AA Group.
July 28-30, 1950 - First AA International Convention held in
Cleveland, Ohio. Twelve Traditions adopted. Dr. Bob made last
appearance at large AA gathering.
July 31, 1972 - Rollie H dies sober in Washington DC.
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++++Message 3559. . . . . . . . . . . . Joe and Charlie Big Book studies on
DVD?
From: dobbo101 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/9/2006 6:13:00 PM
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Can anyone out there help me find where I can get
the Joe and Charlie Big Book studies on DVD?
I'm told one of them is no longer with us, so any
or either will do.
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++++Message 3560. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Gnostics and agnostics
From: Bob Wilson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/8/2006 5:59:00 PM
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The gnos- root is just the Indo-european root for "to know."
Cognate with
English know and Russian znat' etc... So "agnostic" just means
"not known."
The Gnostics have their name from the same Greek root but one doesn't derive
from the other.
Bob Wilson
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++++Message 3561. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Inacuracies in the Lois Wilson
Book
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2006 3:11:00 AM
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Dear Les,
Re: "Hello AA History Lover Readers.... Please note
that the Bourchert book noted below, "The Lois Wilson
Story, When Love Is Not Enough" contains several
factual errors."
Thank you for your service. One correction though.
Page 196 top: "John Henry Fitzhugh Murphy from
Cumberstone(emphasis added), Maryland..."
The name should be John Henry Fitzhugh Mayo and he
is from a town called Cumberstone, Md.
Sally M.. who is Jimmy Burwell's niece, remembers
Bill and Lois visiting Fitz and Elizabeth Mayo. They
lived on her fathers property in a cinderblock
house. Fitz was her father's best friend. Elizabeth
was ill and Lois would visit and take care of her. One
such visit was while Bill was writing the "Big Book."
He did not write the book there, but may have written
notes on the book.
I recently visited the area and gave a 1-1/2 hour
presentation (re Jimmy and Fitz) at Christ Episcopal
Church in Owensville, Maryland, where Jimmy B. and
Fitz M. are buried. Fitz's father was at one time
the pastor of the church.
The local district had an Archives presentation and
about 200 people attended. (District 6, Area 29, on
Saturday 5/13/06 in Owensville,Md.) It was a swell
affair and the AA members there treated us all just
like family.
Al W. of the Maryland Archives spoke on "The history
of Maryland A.A. and Web Research." His site is the
West Baltimore group:
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/HistoryPage.htm
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Info.htm
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Authors.htm
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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++++Message 3562. . . . . . . . . . . . "Little Red Riding Hoods" in early
AA meetings?
From: archie . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/10/2006 11:53:00 PM
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Looking for an explanation of the term "Red Riding
Hoods" as used in the text below. It came from the
book "Slaying the Dragon" by William L. White on
page 135, paragraph 1, lines 20 to 28.
There were also tensions regarding the proper relationship
between A.A. and the informal club houses that were
springing up around the organization. An early report
on an A.A. Clubhouse in San Francisco made note of the strain
from "over-crowding at meetings" and the problem of "drunks,
panhandlers, wolves, and Red Riding Hoods upsetting the
meetings." All of these situations reflected A.A.'s growing
pains.
Thank you very much for any information you offer.
A.S.A.P.
Always Say A Prayer
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++++Message 3563. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Gnostics and agnostics
From: Arkie Koehl . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2006 4:44:00 PM
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I gnew that all along :-)
Arkie
On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:59, Bob Wilson wrote:
> The gnos- root is just the Indo-european root for "to know."
> Cognate with English know and Russian znat' etc... So
"agnostic"
> just means "not known." The Gnostics have their name from the
same
> Greek root but one doesn't derive from the other.
>
> Bob Wilson
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++++Message 3564. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Significant July Dates in A.A.
History
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2006 4:07:00 PM
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At 22:31 7/8/2006 , chesbayman56 wrote:
>July 1962 - 'Victor E' cartoon first appeared in Grapevine. (somes say
May
1962).<
I did a search on A.A. Grapevine's digital archives for "1962 Victor
E" and
the first cartoon shown was the September issue, Volume 19, Issue 4.
There were also cartoons for the October, November, and December issues
from 1962. A search for "Victor E" without a date yields as the
September
1962 issue as first cartoon of Victor.
These archives are a wonderful source. There is a charge but it is minimal
compared to the value of what you are able to access.
YMMV,
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3565. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Significant July Dates in A.A.
History
From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 12:55:00 PM
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Regarding July 7, 1940 - Bill attends 1st Summer Session at School
of Alcohol.
According to information I found, the Summer School of Alcohol
Studies was first held in 1943.
http://alcoholstudies.rutgers.edu/education/sadsinfo.html
"The School of Alcohol and Drug Studies was founded at Yale
University in 1943 as the Summer School of Alcohol Studies and moved
to Rutgers University in 1962. E.M. Jellinek, Sc.D., was the
school's first director. Howard W. Haggard wrote that the school was
undertaken "as an experiment in social education" to make the
findings of scientific research applicable to the actual problems of
alcohol in the community. The first school had as its main courses
of study physiological aspects, alcohol and traffic, personality and
constitution, statistics, social measures, legislative control,
prevention of alcoholism and treatment of alcoholism. The 2004
School of Alcohol and Drug Studies will be the sixty-first annual
session. The director of the school is Gail Gleason Milgram, Ed.D."
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "chesbayman56"
wrote:
>
> July 7, 1940 - Bill attends 1st Summer Session at School of
Alcohol Studies at Yale University.
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++++Message 3566. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Joe and Charlie Big Book studies
on DVD?
From: George B . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 12:32:00 AM
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dobbo101@yahoo.com (dobbo101 at yahoo.com) wrote:
"Can anyone out there help me find where I can get
the Joe and Charlie Big Book studies on DVD?
I'm told one of them is no longer with us, so any
or either will do."
They can be downloaded here:
http://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb.php?action=fileandid=150
This is not with Joe McQ.
Charlie and Joe will be in Chicago this weekend. July 14th thru 16th.
______________________________
From: Jim Burns
(khanti1008 at yahoo.com)
Joe and Charlie are still doing " The Big Book Comes Alive."
Joe number #1 no longer participates due to health reasons.
Joe #2 has been an awesome replacement for 10 years. My group
is going to a " Big Book Comes Alive" Sept 9th and Sept 10
in Indio, California.
Write me off-list at guitarstring1008@yahoo.com
(guitarstring1008 at yahoo.com)
and I will send you a flyer.
In service,
Jim
California
______________________________
From:
(kilroy at ceoexpress.com)
Here is a web site where you can listen to the entire Big Book
Study, and much more. They really help to get me up and running
in the beginning. I hope they do the same for you.
http://www.ppgaadallas.org/aa_speakers.htm
Kilroy W.
4021 Club
Philadelphia PA
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From: >
(rfuhrman1011 at comcast.net)
Joe and Charlie are both living. In fact in the next month
or so they will be doing a Big Book study in LA.
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++++Message 3567. . . . . . . . . . . . Chapter called "The Lone Endeavor"
in 1st Ed.1st Printing
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/11/2006 12:33:00 PM
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I was getting some information together to send to Mel B. who should be
arriving home from Europe today, and came across some information that Harry
the
Wino(my sponsor) sent to me from his archives. It is a list of AA members
sober between June 1935 to February 1939 in Akron and New York. This
particular
list was highlighted with comments from Sybil Corwin and states" Ruth
Hock
wrote(the) chapter callrd The lone Endeavor in first edition! Just before
book
went to print based on phone calls and letters from Pat from Los Angeles.
She
told us so on her last trip to Los Angeles in recent years." THIS IS
SIGNIFICANT.This credits a non-alcoholic as writing a chapter in the Big
Book.
On the back of the list Sybil also writes" Footnote:Aug 16,1984
Pat Cooper landed drunk in Los Angeles April 19,1941-and my brother Tex
Adams and I called on him at Johnny Millers sanitarium on or near Alvarado
and
Olympic Blvd. He did not stay sober. (signed)Sybil Corwin.
The chapter was removed from the 2nd printing I believe.
This signed and dated notation by Sybil identifies Ruth Hock as a writer
in the 1st Big Book. Tex Adams started the 2nd AA group in LA, Ca. called
"the Hole in The Wall Group"
I'm on the East coast, and am not familiar with the Johnny Miller
Sanitarium-Any Info?
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++++Message 3568. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Little Red Riding Hoods" in
early AA meetings?
From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 8:58:00 AM
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--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com,
"archie" wrote:
>
> Looking for an explanation of the term "Red Riding
> Hoods" as used in the text below. It came from the
> book "Slaying the Dragon" by William L. White on
> page 135, paragraph 1, lines 20 to 28.
>
> There were also tensions regarding the proper relationship
> between A.A. and the informal club houses that were
> springing up around the organization. An early report
> on an A.A. Clubhouse in San Francisco made note of the strain
> from "over-crowding at meetings" and the problem of
"drunks,
> panhandlers, wolves, and Red Riding Hoods upsetting the
> meetings." All of these situations reflected A.A.'s growing
> pains.
>
It might be a reference to women whose vulnerability
is a little more calcuated than genuine.
I have a vague recollection of someone who looks at
children's stories through a psychoanalytic lens
remarking on the oddity of the setup in Red Riding Hood.
Who would send a lone, small child into wolf-infested
woods? Either her mother exposed her to danger
deliberately, or RRH is not as innocent as she
appears.
Cora
_________________________________
Note from Glenn C. (moderator): Cora, this was Eric
Berne, in his book "What Do You Say After You Say Hello?"
It's a brilliant book. He argues that fairy tales and
other childhood literary motifs often offer good
metaphors for describing the psychological games that
adults play, and the "life scripts" (an idea that he
developed) which shape the course of our lives.
E.g., some people use a disability to play "Little Lame
Prince" all their lives, taking a real disability which
they have, but using it as a phony excuse for avoiding
responsibility in all sorts of other areas where it is
not relevant. Alcoholics sometimes play this game
with their alcoholism.
In parts of this book, and also in parts of Berne's "Games
People Play," he describes women who play "vulnerable"
and "helpless," as you describe, while simultaneously
pretending to show sexual availability in a flirtatious
manner, in order to manipulate men into doing the things
they want.
In the context of Bill W.'s remarks, I suspect that a
"Little Red Riding Hood" was a woman who came into AA
meetings talking about all the "big bad wolves" who
had abused her, and batting her eyelashes at one of the
men in the meeting, in an attempt to convince him that
he was "a bold woodsman" who would step in and play hero
and "save her" from all the big bad wolves.
There are sufficient male alcoholics who are dumb
enough to fall for that con game, to enable a Little
Red Riding Hood to get into numerous sick relationships
within AA.
It was Eric Berne, as far as I can tell, who basically
developed the idea of "rescuing" and "enabling" behavior
as a kind of psychological con game which some people
play, and he pointed out that alcoholics in particular
are experts at playing that particular psychological
con game.
So a "Little Red Riding Hood" is a woman who is looking
for a man who will play Rescuer and Enabler, in the way
in which Bill W. seems to have been using the metaphor.
The idea of "codependent behavior" was a development
based on Berne's original ideas about Persecutor-Victim-Rescuer
con games, which came along a decade or so later. I think
Berne's original language is much more precise and much
more useful than the somewhat amorphous concept of
codependency, which attempts to include far too many
different kinds of psychological game playing. But
that's just me.
Tom P. (below) talks about the flip side of the Little
Red Riding Hood game, namely men who try to chat up
women newcomers to AA, and convince them that they are
the big bold heroic woodsmen who will "protect" them
from the wolves and "carry their basket of goodies for
them."
_________________________________
From: "Tom P."
(tomper99@yahoo.com)
Archie:
From message 50 on this site and a tape of Bill W. talk in Chicago
in 1951:
"There were people, believe it or not whose morals were bad and the
respectable alcoholics of that time shook their heads and
said, "Surely these immoral people are going to render us
asunder."
Little Red Riding Hood and the bad wolves began to abound. Ah, yes,
could our society last?"
Seems Bill W. was talking about the fear generated in some that
others would cause the end of AA.
I like James Thurber's rendition of "Little Red Riding
Hood" where she recognizes the Big Bad Wolf in Grandma's
bed and takes her automatic out of her basket and shoots
him dead. Moral of the story: "It is not so easy to fool
little girls nowadays as it used to be."
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++++Message 3569. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Inacuracies in the Lois
Wilson Book
From: kilroy@ceoexpress.com> . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 12:21:00 AM
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Good looking out. But speaking of inaccuracies, if I'm not mistaken and I
don't
think I am, Sally M. is the sister of Fitz M. not Jimmy B. I went to that
workshop at the church about 6 or 7 years ago and she told the story.
Kilroy W.
4021 Club
Philadelphia PA
--- Shakey1aa@aol.com wrote:
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com
To: elsietwo@msn.com
Cc: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Inacuracies in the Lois Wilson Book
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:11:57 EDT
Dear Les,
Re: "Hello AA History Lover Readers.... Please note
that the Bourchert book noted below, "The Lois Wilson
Story, When Love Is Not Enough" contains several
factual errors."
Thank you for your service. One correction though.
Page 196 top: "John Henry Fitzhugh Murphy from
Cumberstone(emphasis added), Maryland..."
The name should be John Henry Fitzhugh Mayo and he
is from a town called Cumberstone, Md.
Sally M.. who is Jimmy Burwell's niece, remembers
Bill and Lois visiting Fitz and Elizabeth Mayo. They
lived on her fathers property in a cinderblock
house. Fitz was her father's best friend. Elizabeth
was ill and Lois would visit and take care of her. One
such visit was while Bill was writing the "Big Book."
He did not write the book there, but may have written
notes on the book.
I recently visited the area and gave a 1-1/2 hour
presentation (re Jimmy and Fitz) at Christ Episcopal
Church in Owensville, Maryland, where Jimmy B. and
Fitz M. are buried. Fitz's father was at one time
the pastor of the church.
The local district had an Archives presentation and
about 200 people attended. (District 6, Area 29, on
Saturday 5/13/06 in Owensville,Md.) It was a swell
affair and the AA members there treated us all just
like family.
Al W. of the Maryland Archives spoke on "The history
of Maryland A.A. and Web Research." His site is the
West Baltimore group:
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/HistoryPage.htm
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Info.htm
http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Authors.htm
Yours in Service,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
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Yahoo! Groups Links
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++++Message 3570. . . . . . . . . . . . Canada AA
From: Paul . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 5:46:00 AM
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July 2, 1993 - 50 years of AA celebrated in Canada.
July 2-4, 1965 - 30th Anniversary of AA in Toronto. Adopted "I Am
Responsible."
July 5-7, 1985 - 50th AA Anniversary in Montreal, Canada.
Using the dates from this wonderful group I thought that Canada and the
USA used the same starting dates for AA. Now I see that they
celebrated 50 years of AA in 1993 making their AA date 1943. Now if
this is the case then why do we have AA anniversaries in Canada
celebrating 1935?
Thanks Paul
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++++Message 3571. . . . . . . . . . . . CROSS-TALK
From: lynnaw1979 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/13/2006 10:11:00 PM
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Looking for information on cross-talk within the AA meeting context.
How did we come up with it? When? How? Thanks
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++++Message 3572. . . . . . . . . . . . 90 meetings in 90 days
From: anders bystrom . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 10:03:00 AM
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Hiya group!
The saying "90 meetings in 90 days" is pretty common
in AA in Sweden. I recall that i once heard on a
speaker tape that this saying was "invented"
Cleaveland AA in the 50’s where they had some sort of
"contract" with the Salvation army, that if they took
drunks to 90 meetings the Salvation army would let the
person stay at the shelter for 90 days.
Does anyone have any info around this?
Love
Anders
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++++Message 3573. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ebby, Court and Judge Graves
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/13/2006 7:41:00 AM
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for your email to the group about Judge Graves.
Yes, he was the same judge who released Ebby to Rowland.
Apparently Cebra and his father (the judge) had a stormy
relationship at times, but it does appear that Judge
Graves wanted to help alcoholics and did give Ebby a
break. Cebra eventually moved to France.
Mel
FROM Mel Barger at melb@accesstoledo.com
(melb at accesstoledo.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ckbudnick"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Ebby, Court and Judge Graves
>I have a question, largely based upon reading Ebby: The Man Who
> Sponsored Bill W. by Mel B. The book indicates that Ebby appeared
> before Cebra's father, Judge Graves, and was told that he "was due
> back in Bennington for trial Monday morning" (p. 57). Was Judge
> Graves the same judge on Monday who "gave Ebby a lecture" and
then
> released him to Rowland? I've searched through previous posts and
> haven't found an answer to this question.
>
> Chris
> Raleigh, NC
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++++Message 3574. . . . . . . . . . . . Searcy W. on the Rewards of Recovery
From: robin_foote . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2006 11:16:00 PM
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Hi AA history lovers,
I recently heard the following on a track recorded by Searcy W. I have heard
various forms of this over the years and find it follows on from the
'promises'.
I have seen something similar in the Big Book but cannot find it.
Was Searcy the originator or is it from another source? Anyone know?
THE TWELVE REWARDS OF SOBRIETY
By Searcy W., 55 years sober as at 2001 aged 90.
o Faith instead of despair.
o Courage instead of fear.
o Hope instead of desperation.
o Peace of mind instead of confusion.
o Real friendships instead of loneliness.
o Self-respect instead of self-contempt.
o Self-confidence instead of helplessness.
o A clean conscious instead of a sense of guilt.
o The respect of others instead of their pity and contempt.
o A clean pattern of living instead of a hopeless existence.
o The love and understanding of our families instead of their doubts and
fears.
o The freedom of a happy life instead of the bondage of an alcoholic
obsession.
A great source of AA tracks in MP3 format is at http://www.xa-speakers.org/
located in Iceland with over 800 tracks including AA Founders. Perfect for
my iPod.
Robin F.
Caloundra, Australia.
Page 55 of the Big Book awoke my spirit.
www.BriefTSF.com
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