the main founders of Chicago AA.
How about Sylvia Kauffman? Is September 13, 1939 the
to Sylvia.
Please note that, as Tommy was careful to say, the
below talk about the various contenders for that title.
I thought we had debated this in some of our past
to fit Sylvia in. The past messages I turned up include
full year in"), and 3169. A more thorough search would
discussion of Sylvia's life and role in early AA.
Chicago AA history is important in the overall history
of AA in the U.S. and Canada. It is one of the largest
center to this day.
From: M.Eaton . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/21/2006 8:36:00 PM
From: Jim K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/19/2006 8:29:00 AM
sharing or in the midst of their share.
Manhattan in 1997. I was puzzled by the idea when it took on
the way, is better reserved for a sponsor's ear). A theurapeutic
construct it has dubious value in a spititual program.
wrote:
>
> Looking for information on cross-talk within the AA meeting context.
> How did we come up with it? When? How? Thanks
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++++Message 3591. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 90 meetings in 90 days
From: Toto24522@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/19/2006 6:04:00 AM
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In a message dated 7/18/06 10:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
serenityodaat@yahoo.se writes:
<< The saying "90 meetings in 90 days" is pretty common
in AA in Sweden. I recall that i once heard on a
speaker tape that this saying was "invented"
Cleveland AA in the 50's where they had some sort of
"contract" with the Salvation army, that if they took
drunks to 90 meetings the Salvation army would let the
person stay at the shelter for 90 days.
Does anyone have any info around this?
Love Anders
From the website:
http://communities.msn.com/A12StepRecoveryDiner/thoughtsonavisittoakron.msnw
As told by Chief Blackhawk (Detroit, 40 years in October,
1998), sitting on the front porch of Dr. Bob's house at
855 Ardmore in Akron, Ohio to Floyd H. of Spring, Texas.
ORGANIZATIONS
There are vital reasons that we are not allied with
any sects, denominations, politics, organizations, or
institutions. You want to know what they are?
The Cleveland group's experience with an outside
organization taught us about the danger of trying that.
Get in with another organization, they bring their
values and opinions and they seldom are what we know
works in helping drunks. When the Clarence Snyder
(Home Brewmeister) group formed in Cleveland, an article
ran in the Cleveland newspaper, The Plain Dealer.
The group was flooded with requests for help, and many
were low-bottoms who needed 3-5 days of hospitalization.
After being turned down by all the local hospitals and
after helping the son of a person associated with the
Salvation Army, that organization told Clarence they'd
make some beds available for alcoholics. In accepting
their aid, two things happened. First, AA became allied
with an outside organization; next, they fell under that
organization's philosophy about recovering from alcoholism
and compromised what the alcoholics knew really worked.
In order to get the beds, the AA's violated their own
procedures. I asked: So what was that organization's
philosophy that went against what AA's had been doing?
They answered: The Cleveland Salvation Army had a policy
of limiting bed space for anyone to a total of three
months. Their motive was noble: We'll help you
down-and-out's to get by until you get a job and a place
of your own, but to motivate you, weire putting a time
limit on our assistance -- you have three months, max.
Now, for the alkies coming in, they told them the same
thing but added, You also have to visit with a recovered
alcoholic daily; that is, you have to meet with them 90
times in 90 days, and we're gonna check to make sure
you do. Miss a meeting and you have no bed. You're back
on the streets. So instead of taking the drunks through
in 3 or 4 hours the way we always did it, or a matter
of days at the most, we're now into this 90-in-90 plan.
I said: So the Cleveland Salvation Army introduced this
thing we hear so often today -- ˜Go to 90 meetings in
90 days?
They said, Exactly. And the early Cleveland AA's,
desperate to get beds they thought they had to have,
compromised their approach to working the steps
quickly. But to their great credit, the Cleveland AA's
keep meticulous records with Clarence's insistence)
and their stats revealed that no one gained any
long-term sobriety using that plan. So Cleveland
separated itself from the Salvation Army with a
valuable lesson: stick to the methods proven
successful -- alkies taking alkies through the steps
and doing it pronto. After Cleveland got back to
doing that instead of the 90-in-90-Salvation-Army plan,
the AA's got a 93% success rate over the next several
decades.
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++++Message 3592. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 90 meetings in 90 days
From: Pig Daddy . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/21/2006 10:18:00 AM
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I think the 90 and 90 concept was started by treatment facilities. It
does work though. It gives the individual an oppertunity to become
acustom to the group and the group to the individual
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, anders bystrom
wrote:
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> Hiya group!
>
> The saying "90 meetings in 90 days" is pretty common
> in AA in Sweden. I recall that i once heard on a
> speaker tape that this saying was "invented"
> Cleaveland AA in the 50’s where they had some sort of
> "contract" with the Salvation army, that if they took
> drunks to 90 meetings the Salvation army would let the
> person stay at the shelter for 90 days.
>
> Does anyone have any info around this?
>
> Love
> Anders
>
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++++Message 3593. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Rewards and Ann Croft
From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/22/2006 1:01:00 PM
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The Rewards are a personal reworking of the 9th step promises. Ann Croft of
Akron composed the 12 Rewards. She was the first woman in Akron AA to stay
sober. Ann is referenced twice in Doctor Bob and the Good Oldtimers.
Ann wrote the Rewards to indicate how some of the Promises had come true in
her life. Ann never intended that the Rewards would come true generally for
members of the Fellowship. We may not get back the love and understanding of
our
families, for instance.
love+service
john lee
member
pittsburgh
robin_foote wrote:
Hi AA history lovers,
I recently heard the following on a track recorded by Searcy W. I have heard
various forms of this over the years and find it follows on from the
'promises'.
I have seen something similar in the Big Book but cannot find it.
Was Searcy the originator or is it from another source? Anyone know?
THE TWELVE REWARDS OF SOBRIETY
By Searcy W., 55 years sober as at 2001 aged 90.
o Faith instead of despair.
o Courage instead of fear.
o Hope instead of desperation.
o Peace of mind instead of confusion.
o Real friendships instead of loneliness.
o Self-respect instead of self-contempt.
o Self-confidence instead of helplessness.
o A clean conscious instead of a sense of guilt.
o The respect of others instead of their pity and contempt.
o A clean pattern of living instead of a hopeless existence.
o The love and understanding of our families instead of their doubts and
fears.
o The freedom of a happy life instead of the bondage of an alcoholic
obsession.
A great source of AA tracks in MP3 format is at http://www.xa-speakers.org/
located in Iceland with over 800 tracks including AA Founders. Perfect for
my iPod.
Robin F.
Caloundra, Australia.
Page 55 of the Big Book awoke my spirit.
www.BriefTSF.com
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