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> If you look closely at his life you'll see that Bill formally divorced AA in 1955. HE SPENT THE REST OF HIS LIFE TRYING TO HELP THE ALCOHOLIC FOR WHOM AA DID
NOT WORK. Thats really what the sub-secret LSD papers at Stepping Stones reveal.
Its also what the enormous work he did on nicotinic acid aka niacin aka vitamin
B-3 and its effect on Alcoholism. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3038. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Alcohol left in food after cooking
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 11:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have saved an article titled "Food Science" published in Science News v.
136 11/11/89 reporting on the annual meeting of the American Dietetic Association in Kansas City, MO. It states in part: "Though simmering a pot roast at 185 deg.F for 2 1/2 hours removed 95% of the red wine added, 25 minutes of baking at 375 deg.F retained 45% of the dry sherry in scalloped oysters." Other 'stics quoted are similar to the other article posted. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3039. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Alcohol left in food after cooking
From: Liz Barrett, True Function of Virtue . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 5:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Thank you for this information. Just FYI: This data was initially established by FDA research; a study was subsequently published in the April 1992 edition of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association (JADA). I was able to find the citation on PubMed, but JADA issues prior to 1993 are not available online. If anyone would like to read the study at a library, the citation is: J Am Diet Assoc. 1992 Apr;92(4):486-8. The authors are: Augustin J, Augustin E, Cutrufelli RL, Hagen SR, Teitzel C. [Department of Food Science and Toxicology, Food Research Center, Moscow, ID 83843.]
> > I got this guide online: > http://www.betterendings.org/Recipes/cookal.htm > > > Cooking With Alcohol > > When cooking with beer or alcohol, does all of the alcohol evaporate? > > No. The following chart should be helpful. > > PREPARATION METHOD / AlcoholRetained > > No heat application, immediate consumption 100% > > No heat application, overnight storage 70% > > Alcohol ingredient added to boiling liquid, and removed from heat 85% > > Flamed 75% > > Baked, approximately 25 minutes, alcohol ingredient > on surface of mixture (not stirred in) 45% > > Baked/simmered, alcohol ingredient stirred into mixture > 15 minutes / 40% > 30 minutes / 35% > 1 hour / 25% > 1.5 hours / 20% > 2 hours / 10% > 2.5 hours / 5% > > source: Minnesota Nutrition Council Newsletter > > What can I substitute if a recipe calls for beverages with alcohol? > > The best, but not always the easiest solution, is to find another recipe > without alcohol that will fill the need. If the beer or wine is a major > ingredient in your recipe, or if a large quantity is called for, it > makes sense not to attempt a substitute. The results could be > unpleasant. In such a case, look for another recipe. > > Often the alcohol required will be a small amount, such as a couple of > tablespoons, and in this case there are several substitutions: > > In recipes having plenty of seasonings, plan water may be substituted. > Both the alcohol and a substitute may be omitted if the liquid isn't > needed for a gravy or sauce. > > When cooking with fish, an equal amount of bottled or fresh clam or fish > stock may be substituted. Just remember, bottled clam juice and some > fish stocks are high in salt. Some people use white grape juice with > fish.
> > Other substitutes include chicken or beef broth > > Juice such as lemon, lime, apple or cranberry are all possibilities. > > Reprinted from Fall 99 Issue Byerly's Bag > > > Doug B. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3040. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: DSM-IV definitions: Abuse vs. Dependence (Alcoholism) From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 7:51:00 PM
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is the most current edition). I've always used the two books as mutually complementary. I have never found any incongruence between the two approaches with diagnostics or treatment approaches.
> Reply-To: > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) > To: > Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] DSM-IV definitions: Abuse vs. Dependence > (Alcoholism) > > PLEASE NOTE. If using the DSM IV as any sort of > defining guideline for alcoholism one must remember > the following: The DSM does state that a person can > remain in total remission from alcohol dependence and > continue drinking as long as they do not exhibit the > criteria used for the diagnosis of dependence. > Abstinence from the use of beverage alcohol does not > define remission.... the lack of exhibiting the > criteria does. If one uses Alcoholics Anonymous and > the DSM in the same manner they are not congruent. > > From: Mitchell K. > (mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3041. . . . . . . . . . . . Alcoholism and genetics From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/2/2006 5:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At 12:49 1/2/2006 , Dave Smith wrote: ____________________________ The vast majority of scientific evidence seems to say that alcoholism is primarily a biogenetic inherited susceptibility. Physiologically alcoholics metabolize alcohol and mind altering chemicals differently than 80 - 90% of the population (in the United States, ____________________________
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never seen a citation from the scientific literature affirming it. Could someone provide a citation? Thanks for your post. Tommy in Baton Rouge IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3042. . . . . . . . . . . . Sixth Tradition stories From: Larry . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2006 9:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Where might I find more about how the 6th Tradition of non-affiliation came to pass. Some of those stories in the 12 and 12 are pretty entertaining. Bill W. says "...most alcoholics are bankrupt idealists." Does that phrase pop up anyplace else? Thanks, Larry in NM. _____________________________________
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name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3043. . . . . . . . . . . . NCADD and ASAM From: Rob White . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2006 4:13:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII No doubt the misinformation they put out is confusing to some people. However, AA cannot have an opinion on it. On the other hand, NCADD (the national council on alcoholism and drug dependence) http://www.ncadd.org and ASAM (the American Society of Addiction Medicine) composed of physicians dedicated to the field of Addiction Medicine
http://www.asam.org are the two lead organizations regarding public education and advocacy on alcoholism.
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scientifically reliable statistics. I suggest wherever possible to direct people to their websites. There will always be whirling dervishes. Best thing to do is - let 'em whirl!.
---------------------------------- >>> ArtSheehan@msn.com 1/7/2006 7:02 PM >>> Unfortunately, I believe there is a much more serious and disconcerting side to James H and his affiliation as the poster child for the "Back to Basics" (B2B) organization. B2B propagates revisionist AA history in a classic example of manufacturing an idyllic scenario portraying the
AA program of Recovery in the "old days" and then manufacturing a contrasting scenario bemoaning that "today" it's all different and has gone downhill .... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3044. . . . . . . . . . . . Second Tradition (long and short) From: HJFree . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/10/2006 10:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Why is the "short version" of Tradition 2, longer than the long form?
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the desease models for alcoholism. You can find excellent reviews of these results written for general audiences in two books (both available from Amazon.com): Under the Influence : A Guide to the Myths and Realities of Alcoholism (Paperback)by Milam and Ketchum and Beyond the Influence : Understanding and Defeating Alcoholism -- by Katherine Ketcham, et al; Paperback by Ketchum et. al. The second book is fairly recent and covers information reported since the first book came out in the late 1970s. Neither qualifies as a citation from the scientific literature but both are well researched and cite leading references. If you have access to a university library you might look at: M. Heilig and M. Egli "Models for Alcohol Dependence: A Clinical Perspective" in "Drug Discovery Today: Disease Models" Vol 2, No. 4, 2005.
this group. It contains 45 citations to recent scientific publications and will be a good starting point for anyone interested in delving into the (voluminous) primary scientific literature covering this subject. Regards, Russ Hillard (dayatatime1950 at yahoo.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3046. . . . . . . . . . . . Harper Brothers printing of A.A. Comes of Age ??? From: mr.grassroots . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 11:29:00 PM
Harper Brothers printing of Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age? Particularly trying to find out the number of these Harper's printings and any other information concerning this effort. Thany You in advance for your efforts on this search - All the Best to You and Yours - mr.grassroots IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3047. . . . . . . . . . . . James Houck and Bill at Maryland OG House Parties From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/10/2006 10:08:00 AM
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Houck ______________________________ From: "jlobdell54" hotmail.com) Art, While I hold no particular brief for James Houck and none for BtoB, I should point out that Bill and Fitz did go to OG House Parties in MD (including Frederick) certainly in 1935-36 and possibly 1936-1937. But the trips they took began at Fitz's farm in Cumberstone, and while Fitz's son remembered Bill coming down and Bill and Fitz spending time together at the farm before they went off house-partying (Fitz Jr was 13-14 at the time), to the best of his knowledge no one named James Houck was ever at the house, nor did he ever hear the name. He has vivid memories of Bill and Fitz playing fiddle and banjo and singing in the parlor, with Bill singing Northern songs and Fitz singing Southern songs.
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-- probably did -- but not with them in any strong sense of the word with. -- Jared Lobdell ______________________________ From: "Susan Krieger" James Houck came into the Baltimore AA office about 15 years ago or so. I don't remember the exact year. His grandson is a member of AA. He wanted to post his sobriety anniversary and would have made his sobriety older than 1935 or the beginning of AA. He said that he attended the Oxford Group. He may have just started at that time to attend our local meetings. We would not list his sobriety date to be older than AA. He has listed his name a couple of times. I have had several calls about who was he. No one in this area knew JH. I was at a Convention where in a count down he took away being the oldest member of AA from our well known members. When he was in the Office I asked him if he had ever had a drinking problem. His answer to me was "I had an honesty problem." Susan K.
______________________________ From: billherold1017@aol.com (billherold1017 at aol.com) My name is Bill H. from Area 29 Maryland. As chairperson of the archives, I interviewed James Houck for ten hours. The only real thing I got out of the interview is that he knew Bill W and Fitz M. ( Our Southern Friend) from going to Oxford group meetings in Frederick, Maryland. Bill would come down to Fitz's house outside of Annapolis and they would drive to Frederick, Maryland. James Houck never mentioned a thing about being a recovering alcoholic in AA and to my recollection of the tape, never attended AA His only claim to fame is to be one of the only living people to know Bill and Fitz All he talked
about was the Oxford Group and he really did not have much real regard for AA.
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(learning3legacies at cox.net) That friend of James Houck's is Wally and yes he is still alive and for what it's worth there is a grievance file through GSO about those workshops. ______________________________
yahoo.com) Several years ago I attended Wally`s Back to the Basics one day workshop in Wilmington,NC. James H. could not appear in person, but he did address the crowd of around 100 AA men and women by teleconference from the rest home he is staying at. I have never heard James say he was an active member of AA, but I have heard him say he had spoke in numerous one day workshops hosted by Wally P. Those workshops were mostly attended by AA`s. I have copies of several tapes of some of those talks. Those talk were given in several formats, including a Christian Walk thru the steps of AA. James seemed more interested in teaching others about Two Way Prayer then talking about AA . Tommy H. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3048. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Green Pond, NJ From: Rob . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2006 7:02:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 182 Clinton St Brooklyn heights, NY _______________________ In response to Message 3032 From: "Russ S" Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 Subject: Green Pond, NJ
Stepping Stones. Any suggestions on where to start? Russ from Ogdensburg, NJ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3049. . . . . . . . . . . . Crooked thinking From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/9/2006 8:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII hi history lovers, Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol on his brain?"
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the chapters at the beginning of the book.
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From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2006 11:16:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The thought and answer I come up with is 'because Henry P. wrote the chapter not
Bill.' Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: trixiebellaa To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking
a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol on his brain?"
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the chapters at the beginning of the book.
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regarding Genetics of Alcoholism From: dayatatime1950 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2006 11:27:00 PM
scientific evidence of the genetics of alcoholism. As a result I have gone back to the literature and looked for a more seminal publication with a more general treatment. Truth be told, looking stuff up is kind of a hobby of mine. Anyway, I have found: "The genetics of alcoholism" Current Opinion in Genetics and Development, Volume 8, Issue 3, June 1998, Pages 282-286 Alison M Goate and Howard J Edenberg Again, I can supply anyone who is interested with a pdf file of this article if you will write to me direct at: It is much more readable than the other article I cited previously. In it the authors state "evidence from twin, adoption and family stuides suggest alcoholism is a complex trait resulting from the action of multiple interacting genes and the environment". They go on to describe efforts
to identify the specific genes that are associated with alcoholism in humans.
Some progress has been made toward this goal. Regards, Russ Hillard IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3052. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: DSM-IV definitions: Abuse vs. Dependence (Alcoholism) From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/14/2006 10:23:00 AM
Page 180 under Substance-Related Disorders in DSM IV - TR version is the same but I'm not sure if the page # is the same): (DSM IV TR web link = http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/subdep.htm
at least 1 month, but for less than 12 months, no CRITERIA for Dependence or Abuse have been met (emphasis added) Sustained Full Remission - This specifier is used if none of the CRITERIA for Dependence or Abuse have been met at any time during the period of 12 months or longer (emphasis added) The DSM is not concerned about drinking or not drinking. It relates to meeting the specific criteria for dependence or abuse. It's not anything new....APA is not about abstinence as a criteria. Mitchell > That's a pretty wild claim. > > Can you site the page and reference for this, please > (using the DSM-IV-TR, which is the most current > edition). > > I've always used the two books as mutually > complementary. I have never found any incongruence > between the two approaches with diagnostics or > treatment approaches. > > But, I'm willing to learn something new . . . . Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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