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From: Jim Burns . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 2:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII How far in advance are host cities being selected (at this point in AA history) for international conventions? Thank you, Jim
++++Message 3789. . . . . . . . . . . . Silkworth.net website now on line again
From: Jim S. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 10:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have been in and out of this site all day. Sure looks like "Silkworth.net" to me. http://www.silkworth.net/aahistory/historyaa.html Jim S. _________________________________ FROM THE MODERATOR: It was in fact off for a while, but does appear to be back online again today. I checked the site's home page http://silkworth.net/ and it came up O.K., and I can't see anything important missing. Also the site map at http://silkworth.net/sitemap.html seems to be working just fine. I think we're all a good deal relieved to have that excellent source of AA historical material up and going again.
Promises" From: Bob Wilson . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 6:00:00 PM
isn't happy about his sobriety. *Some day he will be unable to imagine life either with alcohol or without it. *Then he will know loneliness such as few do. *He will be at the jumping-off place. *He will wish for the end. And these too lead toward sobriety. Best to all, Bob W. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3791. . . . . . . . . . . . Amends (over the silkworth.net issue)
From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 9:10:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I must make immediate amends to the group especially Jon M. for rushing to judgement. I violated my own rules not to listen to rumors and due to many phone calls, e-mails and other forms of communication I accused AAWS, INC of shutting down the Silkworth.net site.
evening (Tuesday) at length and he assured me that AAWS had nothing to do with the site being shut down. He also assured me that the site will be up and running again shortly. Again, my apologies to all. Mitchell Klein IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3792. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How far in advance are host cities chosen? From: William Middleton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 3:29:00 PM
When San Antonio was chosen, it was 10 years in advance. Atlanta had to withdraw its bid for the 2010 International because the Seventh Day Adventists had notified the Atlanta Convention Bureau of their interest in the July dates
in 2010. They decided to come to Atlanta. So GSO sent the bids for 2015, 12 years in advance. This is from a GSO letter to our Delegate: "Timeline of Site Selection Process January 10, 2003 - Bid Questionnaires received from Convention Bureaus. February 1, 2003 - All bids are reviewed by the trustees' Committee on International Conventions and those not meeting minimum criteria are eliminated and notified. April 26, 2003 - A 10 minute bid presentation by one representative of the Convention Bureau (8 minutes) and the area delegate (2 minutes) is made to the Convention Site Selection Committee in New York City. Those cities not selected as finalists are notified. July - September, 2003 - Convention Site Selection Team visits the three potential site cities. November, 2003 - The General Service Board selects a site city for the 2015 International Convention." I just reread all of this and think that I built a watch when you asked for the time, Sorry! LOVE and HUGs! Bill Middleton Jim Burns How far in advance are host cities being selected (at this point in AA history) for international conventions?
Jim
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attended each? From: ROGER WHEATLEY . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/13/2006 5:52:00 PM
Do any of you History Lovers know the attendance records for each of these events?
where the actual attendance numbers are reported and keep growing and growing each time the story is told, kind of like a fishing story or a my bottom was worse than yours story.
at AA gatherings by well intentioned people trying to share the magnitude of these gatherings. I believe they are shared in Grapevines after each, and I don't think we have in reality quite broken 50,000 registered. Any help would be appreciated. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3794. . . . . . . . . . . . The first AA gratitude dinner From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/13/2006 8:08:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone know when the first Gratitude dinner was held and where? I was wondering if it was the dinner for Dr. Silkworth or did they have one for Bill earlier? Diz T. Tallahassee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3795. . . . . . . . . . . . Free copies of 1st edit., 1st prnt. Big Book
From: duckiewdj . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/13/2006 11:08:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII It is my understanding that the first Edition, first printing of the Big Book (Red Hard Back), there were some free copies mailed out to certain people such as Doctors and Stock Holders etc. The question is, "Is there such a list of the mailing available?" Also can you tell how many copies have turned up as of this date?
to see if this is one that was originally sent out. If you can help or direct me to someone who could help I would be very grateful. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3796. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first AA gratitude dinner From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/16/2006 6:10:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Not sure if this falls under Gratitude Dinner but there was an appreciation dinner held in honor of Dr. Bob in Cleveland (October 1941). Post 3754 gives some details.
> Does anyone know when the first Gratitude dinner > was held and where? I was wondering if it was the > dinner for Dr. Silkworth or did they have one for > Bill earlier? > > Diz T. > Tallahassee > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3797. . . . . . . . . . . . Five Best Books Behind 12 Step Recovery
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/18/2006 1:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Mel B., Toledo, Ohio "The Five Best Books Behind 12 Step Recovery" Inspired by the longtime success of Alcoholics Anonymous, 12 Step societies are now available to deal with a wide spectrum of human problems and addictions. There is Al-Anon for relatives and friends of alcoholics, Narcotics Anonymous for hard-drug addicts, Gamblers Anonymous for compulsive gamblers, Overeaters Anonymous for persons with eating disorders, and numerous other fellowships patterned after the original AA model. These self-help groups are so popular that they can even be parodied on TV for guaranteed laughs.
was an alcoholic named Bill W., who got sober in 1934 and then linked up with an Akron, Ohio, physician, Dr. Bob S., to launch the fellowship. Most of their principles came from the Oxford Group, a spiritual movement later known as Moral Re-Armament and today called Initiatives of Change.
and the five best are listed here. ______________________________
by William James Longmans, Green and Co., 1902 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Based on James' Gifford Lectures on Natural Religion given at Edinburgh in 1901-1902, this ponderously written book was handed to AA founder Bill W. while he was hospitalized following what turned out to be his final binge. Despite the difficulty of reading James' weighty prose, Bill W. gleaned from the book three essentials that he later wove into the 12 Steps. James had argued that various conversion experiences could have validity and value, and had cited case histories to make the point. Wilson observed that each person studied had met complete defeat in a controlling area of life, had acknowledged this defeat, and had reached a new state of consciousness by appealing to a Higher Power. This process had resulted in positive outcomes.
Hadley, whose conversion experience had lifted him from the life of a homeless alcoholic to find permanent sobriety and become a leader in the famous Water Street Mission founded by Jerry McAuley, another ex-drunk. Just before reading James' book, Wilson had undergone a spiritual experience of his own, and it helped immensely to have such a change ratified by James, often acknowledged as the father of American psychology. ______________________________ Twice-Born Men, by Harold Begbie Fleming H. Revell Company, 1909 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Long before "born again" became a household term, British journalist Harold Begbie discovered that a number of seemingly hopeless alcoholics in London had been restored to sobriety and useful living through the evangelizing work of The Salvation Army. It so amazed him that he presented their personal stories in this book dedicated to William James. As Begbie saw it, the humble work of the Salvationists had achieved recoveries that were beyond the reach of legislators and social workers. "There is no medicine, no Act of Parliament, no moral treatise, and no invention of philanthropy which can transform a man radically bad into a man radically good," he wrote. "If the State, burdened and shackled by its hordes of outcasts and sinners, would march freely and efficiently to its goal, it must be at the hands of religion that relief is sought. Only religion can perform the miracle which will convert the burden into assistance. There is nothing else; there can be nothing else."
describing spiritual changes in what became known as the Oxford Group, the parent society of AA. It was the Oxford Group's success in helping alcoholics that led to the formation of AA. It's also very likely that Begbie's first book helped inspire this work. This close connection makes it certain that the Oxford Group members were familiar with "Twice Born Men" and were convinced that its approach was the solution to alcoholism. ______________________________
Little, Brown, and Company, Boston, 1937 (from earlier papers copyrighted in 1930 and 1931) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Richard R. Peabody, a member of the distinguished Boston family, was an alcoholic who recovered in the Boston Emmanuel Movement, a successful spiritual program operating under a unit of the Episcopal Church. He became a lay therapist specializing in treating alcoholics and trained several others in his methods. Working first in Boston and then in New York City, he helped gain acceptance of alcoholism as an illness rather than a sin or a result of weak will power. He also promoted the suggestion that alcoholism was partly the result of an inborn physical cause, a view that has standing today with medical professionals in the field. Peabody emphasized "surrender" and "honesty" as basic requirements for recovery, as does AA today. He had no group support system, however, and his form of lay therapy did not survive beyond the 1950s. But his understanding of alcoholism influenced doctors who worked in the field, and his book appears to have been used by Bill W. in writing AA's basic text. ______________________________ The Sermon on the Mount, by Emmet Fox HarperCollins, New York, 1934 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Emmet Fox was a New York minister who attracted a large following from 1931 until his death in 1951. Bill W. and other AA pioneers attended his lectures in the late 1930s and used this book as a practical guide in facing personal problems. Like Norman Vincent Peale and others who followed, Fox emphasized the necessity for maintaining a positive mental attitude, finding daily guidance through prayer, releasing resentments, and forgiving others -- all practices that are current in AA today. His book was a staple at many early AA meetings until the society developed its own basic text. ______________________________ Alcoholics Anonymous (four editions) Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. New York, 1939, 1955, 1976, 2001. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Called the "Big Book" in AA parlance, this is virtually sacred text in the 12 Step Movement. It was first published in 1939 when the society had about 100 members and it continues to be the basic guidebook for AA activity. Its publication led to the rapid formation of AA groups throughout North America. More than 24 million copies of its four editions have been sold and it is now available in 52 languages. A portion of its Fifth Chapter, which includes the 12 Steps, is read at almost every AA meeting in the U.S. and other countries. Almost unchanged over the years have been the first 164 pages, which cover Bill W.'s story and the society's explanation of alcoholism and how to recover. Personal stories make up the rest of the book, and these have been changed with each edition to provide a variety of recovery experiences.
acquired its own name from the book and became fully independent in late 1939. It would be difficult to exaggerate the importance of the book to AA members. Copies of the first printing of the first edition now fetch as much as $7 thousand on the used-book market. Other 12 Step fellowships either use the Big Book or have patterned their own basic texts after it. ______________________________ Mel B., Toledo, Ohio melb@accesstoledo.com (melb at accesstoledo.com) Walk In Dry Places website: http://www.walkindryplaces.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3798. . . . . . . . . . . . City Sequence of AA Growth From: ny-aa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/20/2006 9:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone have a list of when Alcoholics Anonymous groups were started on a city-by-city basis? I'm sure someone was sticking pins in a map of the United States. It would be interesting to know the sequence in which those pins were added. The same could be done country-by-country.
of a new strain of virus. (I'm not calling AA a "virus" but it is a useful concept to study.) When did AA reach each major population and how fast did it grow in each of those "colonies" once it was there? If known, "the begats"
would be interesting showing the path of propagation of AA from one city to another. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3799. . . . . . . . . . . . AA in the Arabic world From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2006 12:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Middle East Regional Committee of Alcoholics Anonymous (MERCAA) at http://aainarabia.junomaritime.com/index.html There have been some questions recently about AA in the Arabic world and questions about the Big Book in Arabic (AAWS published a translation in 1990).
of Middle Eastern countries: ABU DHABI AL AIN
BAHRAIN CAIRO
DUBAI EGYPT
IRAQ JORDAN
KUWAIT LEBANON
OMAN QATAR
SAUDI ARABIA SHARJAH
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3800. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: City Sequence of AA Growth From: Trysh Travis . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/21/2006 9:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I'd like to second this call for information on city-by-city growth, and I think the virus image is a useful one. In *Not-God,* Kurtz talks about the role that salesmen played in spreading the word of AA in early days, especially before there was a lot of official literature. It would be great to know more about who carried the message from place to place-- to know not only when the pins went into the map (to extend the image used earlier), but how different places served as proverbial switching points for AA ideas.
information that can be used to re-create this picture -- for instance, the first group was formed in Dallas (my hometown!) in 1943 when Ralph B. was transferred from Detroit to Dallas and Esther E. moved up to Dallas from Houston (p.98). AA in Houston and in Detroit was begun by people who carried the message to those towns straight from Cleveland and Akron, so we can see a clear through-line from the Good Old-Timers in Ohio on into Dallas.
information necessary to make these connections, but I think his book and some local histories, if combined, would yield the beginnings of the "map" we need.
> Does anyone have a list of when Alcoholics Anonymous groups > were started on a city-by-city basis? I'm sure someone was > sticking pins in a map of the United States. It would be > interesting to know the sequence in which those pins were > added. The same could be done country-by-country. > > I picture the growth of AA as something like the spread > of a new strain of virus. (I'm not calling AA a "virus" > but it is a useful concept to study.) When did AA reach > each major population and how fast did it grow in each of > those "colonies" once it was there? If known, "the begats" > would be interesting showing the path of propagation of > AA from one city to another. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3801. . . . . . . . . . . . Bob P. From: Carter Elliott . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/23/2006 11:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Friends of Bob Pierson (sp?), former trustee and GSO "many things", will be happy to know he's recovering from a stroke (which he had two weeks ago) at his Idaho home. Carter E. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3802. . . . . . . . . . . . Online and web-paged groups From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/24/2006 2:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi again, As I continue to sort through the early history of AAs online and online AA, I have come across the claim that "the West Baltimore group [was] the first home group with a page on the internet. We went up on June 26, 1994." Any challengers out there? And if Al's claim is accurate, who was second? And when? And, perhaps, why? Primarily Twelfth-Stepping? Or perhaps a new way to provide such services as informing current AAs of meeting times, places, and other resources? Did such early service come via a group conscience or by way of one or a few enthusiastic and technically adept individuals? And . . . would anyone care to join in opining how to tell when "AAs online" became "online AA"? ernie kurtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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