Aa history Lovers 2006 moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut page
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strength of five members here. Now, there are around 35 members in the group, with members keeping their identity a secret.
said their main goal was to help people get over alcohol addiction and that they welcome people from all classes and religions. "We work on the simple principle of being honest to our selves. All Alcoholics Anonymous members take a vow every morning that they will not drink that day and try to adhere to their promise," he added. The members meet twice a week and share their experiences and problems in countering alcoholism. Apart from Ahmedabad, AA also has its chapters in Idar, Vadodara, Surat, Vapi and Daman in Gujarat. Those who are alcoholics and want to overcome the addiction can contact Alcoholics Anonymous' helplines at 98981-05573, 93740-25501, 93746-14245.
groups/meetings begin? From: dhart1@tampabay.rr.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/21/2006 2:20:00 PM
Look to the bottom under the link titled "AA in Cyberspace - Now" by John P.
______________________________ From the moderator, Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana): OIAA is the Online Intergroup of Alcoholics Anonymous, see http://aa-intergroup.org/ Excerpts from John P.'s excellent talk are given below. For the transcript of his full talk, see http://aa-intergroup.org/html/cyberspacenow.html
by John P. (presented June 30, 2000, transcribed from tape)
was working at the Rand Corporation, doing some research for the Department of Defense. The guys down the hall in Computer Sciences were sending computer output down to the telephone exchange in Santa Monica and back and comparing it with the data they sent across the room .... Two years later, in 1970, we had coast-to-coast hookup .... Today we have about 70 million computers online, and that's a lot."
around 1986. There are more experts on that subject in this room than anywhere else you could find, and some may know an earlier date, but I think it was around there."
started to have regular email meetings on Genie. That was Lamplighters, the first group, which as Jim mentioned has been the largest group as well as the oldest group, followed closely by MOMS. How many Meeting of Minds members do we have out here? (Hands show) It started in Scotland and is almost as old as Lamplighters. It's been meeting on the air 24 hours a day,seven days a week ever since then, serving Alcoholics Anonymous members who wanted to meet for one reason or another." "Some of the meetings are Big Book Meetings, some are step meetings, some discourage off topic discussion, some discourage cross talk, some encourage cross talk, some encourage thread discussion. You may have seen discussions of such things as recovered versus recovering, or should you use medications if you are an AA member; things like that. Some of them have a full list of officers, GSR, Intergroup Reps." "For those who are not aware of it, the Online Intergroup of AA formed after the last International Convention, growing out of the Living Cyber Committee that put up the Hospitality Room." "There's a new online group that I really enjoy called AA History Buffs.** It's just a terrific meeting that has been covering a lot of AA history and I have learned a lot of things that I didn't know." [**From the moderator: That was the ancestor of the AAHistoryLovers, founded in March 2000 by Nancy Olson, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aahistorybuffs/ for the old messages. In March 2002, Nancy changed its name to the AAHistoryLovers. Nancy died on March 25, 2005, see her memorial at http://hindsfoot.org/nomem1.html for an account of her fascinating life.]
just go down to the church basement .... There are the homebound, including those who are bed-ridden ... there are those with mobility impairments who can't move around very well and can't get to the meeting. There are a lot of members who can't hear well. There's a large number of members who are caregivers and can't leave people in their care who are too young, too old or too ill and the caregivers can't find a substitute who can cover for them. There are shift workers, including shift workers in places where there are only 1 or 2 meetings and those meet while they are working .... There are remotely located people. Once on Lamplighters ... we had one at the North Pole and one at the South Pole. Someone wisecracked that it was a bi-polar group."
in online AA is a problem because people are able to say things online that they probably wouldn't say face to face. That's a problem for us and it's working itself out over time I think. So we still have some arguments and some shootouts and some flames and some threads that you get tired of, and things of that sort. But all in all, the online AA experience is turning out to be a great way to do AA. If there are problems, there are solutions."
From: DudleyDobinson@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/21/2006 4:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi. I believe I have a partial answer to the questions posed. Regarding printing dates there are Two upper case letters printed on the title pages of the Harper publications. The first one relates to the month, "A" being January. B February etc. The second letter being the year, "A" being 1951 (The starting letter in the period of these publications). One letter of the alphabet is not used which I believe is "J" . I have Two Harper printings of the 12 * 12 . The first one has the letters D-C representing April 1953 and the other book has B-K for February 1960. (Using the formula given above). I believe this is the Second printing. The AA Comes of Age book I have has H-G which represents September 1957. I cannot tell you how many were printed but I do know that only Two copies of the Second printing of the 12*12 have come up on eBay in the last Five years. Copies of the 12*12 are obviously much rarer than AA Comes of Age. Do any of the members of this group know if there are any more printings than those I have listed above? In fellowship. Dudley D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3722. . . . . . . . . . . . book printing and dates From: John Wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/22/2006 11:15:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am seeking information on AA and AlAnon books to include printings and dates. If anyone out there has this information or knows someone who could help me compile the remaining data I am assembling for a pamphlet I would appreciate you contacting me at
301 North Rawls Street Enterprise, Alabama 36330
From: ny-aa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/23/2006 9:57:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Here are some numbers that were in AA History Lovers last year: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/2310 http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/press/2004/NESARCNews.htm#chart Alcohol Abuse (but not Dependent) 1992 3.0% 5.6 Million 2002 4.7% 9.7 Million Alcohol Dependent 1992 4.4% 8.2 Million 2002 3.8% 7.9 Million Total Abuse or Dependent 1992 7.4% 13.8 Million 2002 8.5% 17.6 Million They surveyed unincarcerated adult civilians in the United States The analysis was based on definitions in DSM-IV by American Psychiatric Association. Survey was conducted by US Census Bureau in 1992 and was repeated as much the same as possible in 2002. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3031 Read these posts and the related link for more information. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3724. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Harper 12 and 12 From: John Wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2006 1:51:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII there is a third printing that was listed on ebay about ten years ago. The ad showed the Harper cover and printing page. I do not recall the letters displayed. I bid on it but did not have enough money to stay in the running for the book. If I had known the significance of a third printing I would have tried harder to get the item for my archive collection. I believe Harper only printed one run of AA Comes of Age. Does anyone know if this is true.
groups/meetings begin? From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2006 7:38:00 PM
I think I already knew it, but you have again demonstrated that this is really a great group with a lot of generous people! I am grateful to all of you and especially to Glenn and Art who put so much loving effort into it.
> Hi Ernie. > > There's some good information on the OIAA site. > Look to the bottom under the link titled "AA in > Cyberspace - Now" by John P. > > Doug
++++Message 3726. . . . . . . . . . . . Big Book authors From: Boston Bid . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/24/2006 7:26:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is there already a list somewhere of all of the personal stories and the names of their authors??? I have been writing the names in my copy of ESH as I go along, but it is a painstaking process.. and I suddenly realised that I am sure that somewhere on this site will be a history buff who already has this down on a Word of Excel document. Is there anyone offering...? Thanks!!! George Smith, Boston (new to the group) ______________________________ From the moderator: One excellent place to find a lot of information of this sort is the site for the West Baltimore Group of Alcoholics Anonymous, which is maintained by Al W., and can be found at http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/index.htm There is a list of all the AA historical information on this site (a general Table of Contents) at http://www.a-1associates.com/sitemap.html
"Biographies of the Authors of the Stories in the Big Book" which is at http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Authors.htm
founded our AAHistoryLovers web group, and served as its moderator until her death.
events in the Big Book, listed by page number, which is located at http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/BB-Who-What.htm
go to the AAHistoryLovers Message Board at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/messages there is a little box at the top where you can search our past messages for a particular name or word. This is not a perfect search engine -- it will not find every instance -- but it is a good idea to do a search here before sending a question in. A lot of the time, it will turn out that the answer was already posted at some point in the past.
From: mbrandfssr . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/25/2006 8:26:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I saw this on AA History Buffs "GSO changed the way membership counts were calculated after 1993."
last month where a guy made slight reference to this and claimed our membership is probably more like 600,000-700,000 in the US IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3728. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book authors From: james.bliss@comcast.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2006 2:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From James Bliss and Mike Brewer: two other online sources. ______
(james.bliss at comcast.net)
http://silkworth.net/aabiography/storyauthors.html ______
(tuswecaoyate at yahoo.com) http://www.barefootsworld.net/origbbstories.html#authors_om will answer your question quite thoroughly. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3729. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book authors From: jakewaddell@juno.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2006 3:23:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII George, I have created a version to index the stories in the various BB editions. It is an Excel spreadsheet which requires a version of Excel "new" enough to support multiple worksheets. For those whose computers cannot open this, I can also send people a stripped down version (only one worksheet). The "actual" list is on the Master worksheet; all other sheets are formulae that read from Master...... If anyone is interested, I've also got a MS Word document that contains brief biographies of most of the authors -- all the text is on the HistoryLovers site -- I've just consolidated it. If any would like a copy, please contact me directly at: jakewaddell@juno.com (jakewaddell at juno.com) (Please do not send your request to the AAHistoryLovers address, because it does not have a "forwarding" button.) -Jake- IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3730. . . . . . . . . . . . "Spiritual kindergarten" passage From: Mike . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/26/2006 8:07:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII On page 95 of "As Bill Sees It," Bill W. talks of us "operating a spiritual kindergarten." The note at the bottom says that this came from a letter which he wrote in 1954. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the whole letter from which this short excertp has been taken? thank you Mike Cullen IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3731. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: When did first AA online groups/meetings begin? From: Charles Grotts . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/27/2006 12:04:00 AM
the Lamplighters in 1991. An article on "The History of the Lamplighters Group of Alcoholics Anonymous" can be found at: http://aa-lamplighters.org/public/history.htm IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3732. . . . . . . . . . . . texas prayer From: Cheryl F . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/27/2006 5:17:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From message # 590: "Larry J. of Houston, wrote 'The Texas Prayer,' used to open AA meetings in Texas. He is also said to have written the 'Texas Preamble.'"
I can find a copy? Grateful so I serve, Cheryl F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3733. . . . . . . . . . . . The mile long list From: Teemu . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/27/2006 8:55:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi, In the 12x12 Bill W. wrote: "A member gives us a vivid glimpse of those days. "At one time," he says, "every A.A. group had many membership rules. Everybody was scared witless that something or somebody would capsize the boat and dump us all back into the drink. Our Foundation office asked each group to send in its list of 'protective' regulations. The total list was a mile long. If all those rules had been in effect everywhere, nobody could have possibly joined A.A. at all, so great was the sum of our anxiety and fear." Does anyone have this list of `protective' regulations? Or is it on the Internet (a link) or can anyone send it to me privately?
Jyvaskyla, Finland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3734. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Spiritual kindergarten" passage From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/28/2006 12:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The kindergarten theme is something Bill used in different pieces of correspondence. In a letter to Clarence Snyder dated November 9, 1955 Bill wrote "After all, A.A. is a sort of kindergarten - It's something we go through to a better way of life and wider usefullness." --- Mike > On page 95 of "As Bill Sees It," Bill W. talks of > us "operating a spiritual kindergarten." > > The note at the bottom says that this came from a > letter which he wrote in 1954. > > Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the > whole > letter from which this short excertp has been taken? > > thank you > > Mike Cullen > >
> > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3735. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Spiritual kindergarten" passage From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/27/2006 9:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Shakey Mike and George Cleveland. The original question was from Mike Cullen On page 95 of "As Bill Sees It," Bill W. talks of us "operating a spiritual kindergarten." The note at the bottom says that this came from a letter which he wrote in 1954.
letter from which this short excertp has been taken?
Mike Cullen ___________________________________
Shakey Mike ___________________________________
(pauguspass at yahoo.com) The Spiritual Kindergarten concept comes up beautifully in a Grapevine essay that Bill wrote in the June 1958 issue. This essay, along with the January '58 piece on Emotional Sobriety, continue to have tremendous resonance for me.
from The Grapevine. Through lack of disciplined attention and sometimes through lack of the right kind of faith, many of us keep ourselves year after year in the rather easy spiritual kindergarten I've just described. George Cleveland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3736. . . . . . . . . . . . Richmond Walker From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/29/2006 8:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have come across a 24 Hours a Day volume that lists Richmond Walker as author in two places. I understood that he did not want to be listed hence the statement in most of the volumes have "Compiled by a member of the Group at Daytona Beach, Fla." usually at the very end of the book. This volume has "Richmond Walker" on the title page and "Editor's note: This book was compiled by Richmond Walker (1892-1965) of the Group at Daytona Beach, Florida." on the copyright page. No publishing date is given.
any list member has information on why Hazelden felt the need to put it in now?
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3737. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Spiritual kindergarten" passage From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/28/2006 5:55:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Mitchell K. wrote: The kindergarten theme is something Bill used in different pieces of correspondence. In a letter to Clarence Snyder dated November 9, 1955 Bill wrote "After all, A.A. is a sort of kindergarten - It's something we go through to a better way of life and wider usefullness." (mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) _________________________________________
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