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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is not going on record. I have called Dhindsaji. I have not permitted you. श्री विनय कटियार: * MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Why are you encroaching upon his time? Don’t take his time. It is not going on record. What can I do? It is Zero Hour. It is Mr. Dhindsa’s time. सरदार सुखदेव सिंह ढिंडसा : सर, ...(व्यवधान).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Why do you encroach upon his time? श्री विनय कटियार: * MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is not going on record. आप उनका टाइम क्यों लेते हो? वे आपके दोस्त हैं। ______________________________________________________ * Not recorded. सरदार सुखदेव सिंह ढिंडसा : बहुत हो गया। आपका एसोसिएशन हो गया। ....(व्यवधान).. श्री विनय कटियार: * श्री उपसभापति : क्या है, विनय कटियार जी? आप ऐसा क्यों करते हैं। ढिंडसा जी, आप शुरु करें। सरदार सुखदेव सिंह ढिंडसा : मैं शुरू तो कर दूंगा, पहले ये बैठ तो जाएं। ....(व्यवधान)... (1X – LP/GSP पर आगे) LP-GSP/12.55/1x श्री उपसभापति : विनय कटियार जी बैठिए..(व्यवधान).. I request you to take your seat. ..(Interruptions).. Now, please start. श्री विनय कटियार : * श्री रवि शंकर प्रसाद : उपसभापति जी, हिंदुओं के सेंटिमेंट्स का भी ध्यान रखा जाना चाहिए..(व्यवधान).. श्री उपसभापति : सभी लोगों के सेंटिमेंट्स को ध्यान में रखना है..(व्यवधान)..आप लोग बैठिए..(व्यवधान)..सरदार सुखदेव सिंह ढिंडसा जी ______________________________________________________ * Not recorded. बोलिए..(व्यवधान)..All are equal. आप बैठिए..(व्यवधान).. Don’t encroach upon others’ time. आप बैठिए..(व्यवधान).. श्री रवि शंकर प्रसाद : उपसभापति जी, अब तो इलाहाबाद ..(व्यवधान)..हाई कोर्ट में भी फैसला हो गया है कि जहाँ राम लला बैठे हैं..(व्यवधान).. वही वह स्थान है..(व्यवधान).. जहाँ राम का जन्म स्थान है..(व्यवधान).. श्री उपसभापति : आप लोग बैठिए..(व्यवधान).. I have called Dhindsa ji. ..(Interruptions).. Other Members, please take your seats. ..(Interruptions).. Dhindsa ji, please start. श्री के.सी. त्यागी : * MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. It is not going on record. ..(Interruptions).. You have not given notice. ..(Interruptions).. पहले नोटिस देना है..(व्यवधान).. Dhindsa ji, please speak. ..(Interruptions).. DENIAL OF ENTRY TO SIKH STUDENTS WEARING SIKH ARTICLES OF FAITH BY PGI CHANDIGARH सरदार सुखदेव ढिंडसा (पंजाब) : डिप्टी चेयरमैन सर, मैं इस हाउस के नोटिस में एक ऐसा सीरियस इश्यू लाना चाहता हूं, जिससे हमारे धर्म पर एक बहुत बड़ी ______________________________________________________ * Not recorded. चोट लगी है। पी.जी.आई. चंडीगढ़ गवर्नमेंट ऑफ इंडिया का एक प्रीमियर इंस्टीट्यूशन है। जब वहाँ पर पैरा मेडिकल की परीक्षा के लिए टेस्ट हो रहा था, तो जो सिख बच्चे परीक्षा देने गए थे, जिन्होंने कड़ा पहन रखा था, उनसे कहा गया कि कड़ा उतारो, जिसके पास कृपाण थी, उससे कहा गया कि कृपाण भी उतारो, जिसने टर्बन बाँधी हुई थी, जब उसकी टर्बन को हाथ से दबा-दबा कर देखना शुरू किया, तो उन बच्चों ने प्रोटेस्ट किया। उसके बाद कुछ रिलिजियस आदमी आए और लगभग 45 मिनट के बाद कुछ बच्चे परीक्षा देने के लिए अंदर चले, लेकिन बहुत से बच्चे वॉक आउट कर गए। वहाँ पर प्रोफेसर कृष्ण गौबा हैं, जिन्होंने यह सब किया है और उनके खिलाफ सैक्टर 11 के पुलिस स्टेशन में डी.डी.आर. भी दर्ज़ है। इसलिए मेरी पहली मांग है कि उनके ख़िलाफ़ केस रजिस्टर किया जाए और दूसरी मांग यह है कि इसका टेस्ट दोबारा से होना चाहिए। मैं हैल्थ मिनिस्टर से विनती करना चाहता हूं कि वह टेस्ट दोबारा से हो। जिस डॉक्टर और अन्य लोगों ने यह काम किया है, उनके खिलाफ ऐक्शन लेना चाहिए। क्योंकि यह कड़ा उतरवाना बहुत बड़ी बात है, लेकिन वहाँ पर बच्चों के कड़े उतरवा दिए गए। हैल्थ मिनिस्टर जी यहाँ पर नहीं बैठे हैं, दूसरे मंत्री जी हैं, मेरी उनसे विनती है कि उनके खिलाफ ऐक्शन लें और इंक्वायरी कराकर दोबारा से टेस्ट लिया जाए। जो बच्चे उस टेस्ट में नहीं बैठ सके हैं, उनका दोबारा से टेस्ट होना चाहिए। धन्यवाद। (समाप्त) MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Thank you. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Sir, we all associate with this issue. ..(Interruptions).. श्री रवि शंकर प्रसाद (बिहार) : उपसभापति जी, मैं स्वयं को इससे सम्बद्ध करता हूं। श्रीमती माया सिंह (मध्य प्रदेश) : उपसभापति जी, मैं स्वयं को इससे सम्बद्ध करती हूं। श्री अजय संचेती (महाराष्ट्र) : उपसभापति जी, मैं स्वयं को इससे सम्बद्ध करता हूं। श्री बलबीर पुंज (ओडिशा) : उपसभापति जी, मैं स्वयं को इससे सम्बद्ध करता हूं। DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, I associate with the views expressed by the hon. Member. ..(Interruptions).. Sir, I am also wearing a kara. Should I take it out when I enter the Parliament? What is this going on. ..(Interruptions).. (Ends)
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, Calling Attention to matter of urgent public importance. ..(Interruptions).. Dr. Maitreyan. CALLING ATTENTION TO THE SITUATION ARISING OUT OF REPEATED ATTACKS ON INDIAN FISHERMEN BY SRI LANKAN NAVY DR. V. MAITREYAN (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I beg to call the attention of the Minister of External Affairs on the situation arising out of repeated attacks on Indian fishermen by Sri Lankan Navy. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SALMAN KHURSHID): Sir, I rise to respond to the Calling Attention Notice regarding repeated attacks on Tamil Nadu fishermen by Sri Lankan Navy. I am grateful to the hon. Member for having raised this very important issue for concern that we share with the House and with the hon. Member. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: Sir, the Andhra issue in the Zero Hour has... ..(Interruptions).. SHRI SALMAN KHURSHID: Sir, at the outset, I would like to.. ..(Interruptions).... SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: This is not the way, Sir. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What is your problem? ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: Sir, the Andhra Pradesh matter has to be discussed. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What can I do about Andhra Pradesh problem? SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: Nothing is in action. ..(Interruptions).. If a person is.. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Chowdary ji, what are you doing? ..(Interruptions).. You can give notice. Why don’t you give notice? ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: I am sorry, we have given notice. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI K.C. RAMESH: Sir, we have given notice. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You can renew the notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. Today’s ten mentions are over. ..(Interruptions).. I have already taken up the next item. . ..(Interruptions).. Why do you disturb Chowdary ji? ..(Interruptions).. Please. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: But, Sir, our notice is there. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You renew your notice. ..(Interruptions).. You can give notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. Mr. Chowdary, today, it is not possible. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: No, Sir. ..(Interruptions).. The commitment given by.. ..(Interruptions).... That is not happening. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI K.C. RAMESH: Sir, you know the situation there. We have given notice today. ..(Interruptions).. You are not allowing us. ..(Interruptions).... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is not possible today. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: I am sorry, Sir. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You can renew the notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: One of our Members has resigned. ..(Interruptions).. You are aware of that. ..(Interruptions).. (followed by 1Y-SK) -GSP/SK-AKG/1Y/1.00 MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I know your sentiments. I understand. But please give notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI C.M. RAMESH: But, Sir, you are not allowing us to speak. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I cannot allow now. ..(Interruptions).. You are unnecessarily interrupting. ..(Interruptions).. There is no time. ..(Interruptions).. Now, you sit down. The Minister may kindly continue please. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI C.M. RAMESH: This is not the way. We are sorry, Sir. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no, don’t do this. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI Y.S. CHOWDARY: This is not the way, Sir. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Why do you do this? ..(Interruptions).. You give a notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. You give a notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. I am asking you to give a notice tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. Why don’t you cooperate? This is the problem of Tamil Nadu fishermen. ..(Interruptions).. They are our own brothers. ..(Interruptions).. Don’t you think that this subject is very important? ..(Interruptions).. You listen to me for one minute. ..(Interruptions).. Mr. Chowdary, you listen to me for one minute. ..(Interruptions).. Listen to me for one minute. ..(Interruptions).. Your problem is very serious, sentimental and emotional. I understand that. Likewise, the problem of Tamil Nadu fishermen is also equally important. You allow that. ..(Interruptions).. Why don’t you do that? ..(Interruptions).. DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, adjourn the House for lunch. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, you go. ..(Interruptions).. Now, you go. This is too much. ..(Interruptions).. You see, they have given notice late, at 10.12 a.m. Notices will be considered only if they are received before 10.00 a.m. ..(Interruptions).. You give notice for tomorrow. ..(Interruptions).. I may be forced to adjourn the House. ..(Interruptions).. This subject is also very important. ..(Interruptions).. SHRI D. RAJA: Sir, we have given notice on Calling Attention. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You also encourage them. ..(Interruptions).. You persuade them. What can I do? ..(Interruptions).. Calling Attention is equally important. ..(Interruptions).. What you are saying is not going on record. You know that. ..(Interruptions).. You go back. ..(Interruptions).. My problem is, if I adjourn the House, this Calling Attention cannot be taken up today. DR. V. MAITREYAN: Having moved the Calling Attention, it can be taken up whenever the House assembles. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You also request them. ..(Interruptions).. Use your good office. ..(Interruptions).. Why don’t you use your good office? ..(Interruptions).. Why don’t you use your good office with these two gentlemen? ..(Interruptions).. DR. V. MAITREYAN: Whenever the House assembles, this will be the first business. Otherwise, there will be no business. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What do I do, tell me? ..(Interruptions).. DR. V. MAITREYAN: We have no problem in taking up this issue at 2 o’clock. ..(Interruptions).. (Followed by YSR/1Z) -SK/YSR-SCH/1.05/1Z MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Rule says before adjournment. ...(Interruptions)... Maitreyanji, Rule says before adjournment for lunch. ...(Interruptions)... Am I correct? ...(Interruptions)... Chowdaryji, one minute. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Maitreyan and Mr. Raja, Rule says that Call Attention should be completed before the House adjourns for lunch. ...(Interruptions)... That is the Rule. ...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: Then don’t adjourn for lunch. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR: Please don’t adjourn for lunch. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am only asking hon. Maitreyanji, hon. Rajaji and others ...(Interruptions)... Why don’t you prevail on this gentleman? ...(Interruptions)... What do I do? ...(Interruptions)... Hon. Members, I have an announcement to make. RESIGNATION BY MEMBER MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I have to inform hon. Members that the Chairman has received a letter from Shri Nandamuri Harikrishna, Member representing the State of Andhra Pradesh, resigning his seat in the Rajya Sabha. He has accepted the resignation with effect from 22nd August 2013. (Ends)
MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The House is adjourned for half an hour. ---
The House then adjourned at seven minutes past one of the clock. VKK-PSV/2a/1.35 The House reassembled at thirty seven minutes past one of the clock, MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair. --- MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, if the House agrees, we will continue with Calling Attention. ...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, let them give a fresh notice for Zero Hour tomorrow. Let the House consider it on priority basis. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This is a suggestion by Dr. Maitreyan. ...(Interruptions)... You give a Zero Hour notice for tomorrow. I will request the Chairman to consider it. ...(Interruptions)... DR. K.P. RAMALINGAM: Sir, this is an appeal by TDP Members because it is a very important issue. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will request the Chairman. संसदीय कार्य मंत्रालय में राज्य मंत्री (श्री राजीव शुक्ल): मैंने बोल दिया है कि इसे आइटम नं. 1 पर लिया जाएगा। MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, actually, we had to finish the Calling Attention before lunch. But, with the sense of the House, I am taking it up. Everybody should stick to the rules, that is, you take five or seven minutes, others will take 2-3 minutes and then, we will finish it off. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI D. RAJA: Sir, I also have given my name. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Your name is there. I will call you. Who can ignore the king? ...(Interruptions)... (Followed by KR-VNK/2b) -PSV/VNK-KR/2B/01.40 श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: माननीय उपसभापति महोदय, यह ठीक है कि आप इतने इम्पोर्टेंन्ट इश्यू से संबंधित कालिंग अटेंशन ले रहे हैं, लेकिन एक इम्पोर्टेंट इश्यू जो पहले दिन ही टेक अप हुआ था उत्तराखंड की त्रासदी के बारे में, उसको हम लोगों ने कहां दफना दिया? ...(व्यवधान)... श्री तरुण विजय: सर ...(व्यवधान)... यह इतनी बड़ी त्रासदी है।...(व्यवधान)... श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: सर, यह इतनी बड़ी त्रासदी है, उसको हम लोग नहीं ले रहे हैं। ...(व्यवधान)... सर, हमारा आपसे अनुरोध है कि इसके बाद उत्तराखंड त्रासदी पर जो चर्चा आरंभ हुई थी, उसको लिया जाए और उसको पूरा किया जाए। ...(व्यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Misraji, it was raised here. श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: सर, बाकी और लेजिस्लेटिव बिज़नेस लेने के पहले कम से कम उत्तराखंड के इश्यू को कम्पलीट तो होने दें। ...(व्यवधान)... श्री उपसभापति: मिश्रा जी, इसको यहां रेज किया गया है, ज़ीरो आवर में भी रेज किया है और मिनिस्टर ने इस पर रेस्पोंड किया है। यह हो चुका है, चूंकि आप यहां नहीं थे, इसलिए आपको नहीं मालूम है। ...(व्यवधान)... श्री तरुण विजय: सर ...(व्यवधान)... श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: सर, उत्तराखंड त्रासदी पर जो डिस्कशन चल रहा था, वह पूरा नहीं हुआ है और वह आज के बिजनेस में भी लिस्टेड है। ...(व्यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Short Duration Discussion on Uttarakhand is listed today in the List of Business. We will take it up. ..(Interruptions)... No, no, we can take it up. I agree with Misraji that we should take up the Short Duration Discussion on Uttarakhand today even if we sit late. ..(Interruptions)... श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: सर, इसमें माननीय मंत्री जी का कोई इंटरेस्ट नहीं है। ...(व्यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I agree with you. संसदीय कार्य मंत्रालय में राज्य मंत्री (श्री राजीव शुक्ल): डिप्टी चेयरमैन सर, सतीश मिश्रा जी ने जो कहा है, वह बिल्कुल सही है। उत्तराखंड स्लॉट होता है, उसके बाद वह डिस्कशन में नहीं आ पाता है, बाद में लोग यह कहते हैं, इसको खत्म कीजिए। मेरा यह कहना है कि यह विषय आज की कार्य सूची में भी संबद्ध है, अगर उस कार्य सूची को आज पूरा कर लें ...(व्यवधान)... श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: यह तो रोज की कार्य सूची में संबद्ध होता आ रहा है...(व्यवधान)... इसको रोज नीचे कर दिया जाता है। ...(व्यवधान)... आप उस पर डिस्कशन नहीं होने देते हैं। ...(व्यवधान)... श्री राजीव शुक्ल: सतीश जी, उत्तराखंड को अकोमोडेट करने के लिए हम आज दो बिल कंसीडर नहीं करेंगे, सिर्फ एक बिल कंसीडर करके उत्तराखंड पर डिस्कशन कर लीजिए।...(व्यवधान)... श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: आप पहले उत्तराखंड कीजिए, उसके बाद आपको जो बिल कंसीडर करना हो, उसको कीजिए। ...(व्यवधान)... सर, मेरी आपसे यह विनती है कि ये दो बिल कंसीडर करना चाहें, तो करें, हम लोग इसमें इनका सपोर्ट करते हैं, लेकिन उत्तराखंड को इस तरह से नीचे नहीं डालना चाहिए। ...(व्यवधान)... आप इस चर्चा के बाद उत्तराखंड को लीजिए, हमारा आपसे यह अनुरोध है। ...(व्यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Misraji, we will take up Uttarakhand issue today कृपया आप बैठिए। We will take up that. Now Calling Attention. CALLING ATTENTION TO THE SITUATION ARISING OUT OF REPEATED ATTACKS ON INDIAN FISHERMEN BY SRI LANKAN NAVY – CONTD. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SALMAN KHURSHID): Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I express my gratitude to the hon. Members from Andhra Pradesh for extending their cooperation and permitting this very important Calling Attention matter to be taken to a logical conclusion. At the very outset, I would like to reiterate to this august House that the Government attaches the highest importance to the safety, security and welfare of Indian fishermen; and this is the concern that we all share in common. In response to reports of incidents of attacks on Indian fishermen, the Government, through normal diplomatic channels, immediately akes up the matter/issues relating to incidents of firing on or apprehension of our fishermen with the Government of Sri Lanka to ensure that the Sri Lankan Navy acts with restraint and our fishermen are treated in a humane and pragmatic manner. Hon'ble Members would recall that to avoid the recurrence of incidents involving our fishermen and keeping in mind the humanitarian and livelihood dimensions of the fishermen's issue, the Government had reached an understanding through a Joint Statement with the Sri Lankan Government on 26th October 2008 to put in place practical arrangements to deal with bona fide Indian and Sri Lankan fishermen crossing the International Maritime Boundary Line. As part of these practical arrangements, it was agreed that there would be no firing on Indian fishing vessels and Indian fishing vessels would not tread into sensitive areas designated by the Government of Sri Lanka along its coastline. Following the October 2008 understanding, the incidents of attack and apprehension of Indian fishermen by Sri Lankan authorities have come down considerably. The Sri Lankan side has, however, continues to deny the involvement of their Navy in any
I would like to inform this August House that at the 4th meeting of the India-Sri Lanka Joint Working Group on Fisheries, which was held from 13th-14th January 2012 in Colombo, both sides reiterated the highest priority accorded by their respective Governments to the well being, safety and security of fishermen from the two countries. Both countries agreed that the use of force could not be justified under any circumstances, and reiterated in this regard the importance of extending humane treatment to all fishermen. (Continued by 2C/VK)
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