How far were you up then?
About $8-9 million.
Did you know what you were going to do?
I didn't really know. I thought I'd stay in the business somehow, but work off the floor.
How long did your retirement last?
About four months.
Were you bored?
Yes. I missed the markets. I missed the excitement.
So, in the beginning, money was the goal, but once you got there it became—
Yes, it became secondary. Maybe if I had a wife and kids, or someone special in my life, I might not have
gone back. But trading was my life. It made me feel like something; it gave me a reason for being.
I understand one of your best trading periods was the week of the October 1987 stock crash. Tell
me about it.
I was expecting a big move, but I didn't know if it would be up or down. So, I started building the same type
position that I had in Teledyne.
The butterfly spread combined with the explosion position.
Yes.
What was the explosion position in this case?
In this case, it was formed by buying out-of-the-money puts and out-of-the-money calls in the back months.
To counterbalance this position, I had butterfly spreads in the front month, which would profit from time decay.
What told you the market was going to have a big move?
You could feel it in the wild gyrations that were occurring by late September.
Did you expect the move to be on the downside by that time?
Actually, I thought it was going to be on the upside. At first, I thought we were going to attack the old highs
again.
When did you change your mind?
On Wednesday of the week before the crash, the market fell apart. Thursday, it didn't bounce back, but kind
of churned. Now, if it had rallied on Friday, then I would have been confused. But instead, the market cracked on
Friday. At that point, I was sure we were going down.
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