Mar Del Plata is a resort town 5 hours south by train from Buenos Aires

DannyMex

11-04-02 20:30

I've been reading this board for a while now and thought I should post my experience in Mar del Plata (three nights). I found the Madajos bar without difficulty (it is 20 steps outside the Sheraton hotel). I went too late (12:30 PM) and the ratio was not great. I recommend going earlier. Nevertheless, many women were available, and two or three were my type. A few women who were not my type tried to talk to me. I was polite but after a few minutes just said “no, thank you”. They fully understand and it is not a problem. One even asked me what type of girl I liked and went off to find one (surely her friend, and in the end I didn’t take her either). I bought two drinks for one woman and had a few myself. We left around 2:30 PM. I paid my bar tab (I forget the total but it was not a rip-off) and made a deal with her. 150 pesos for two hours. The next night she met me at my hotel at 11:00 PM and she took me to some of the nicer night venues in town (Avenida Constitution as I recall, about a 10-15 minute cab ride from the Sheraton) and came back to my hotel until 6:00 AM. I paid 200 pesos since she showed me around town and spent 7 hours with me. My last night in town she meet me at 9:00 PM and helped me with some shopping. Everything is very cheap down there now. The service the second and third nights just got better and better. She spoke no English, but with my 200 words of Spanish we managed just fine. For the benefit of this board, I asked her the names of other places in town like Madajos. She confirmed that there were other places, but she hesitated to give me a name and I didn't press the issue. I highly recommend Mar del Plata, but it is quite different from Buenos Aires. Not nearly as sophisticated, but still very nice. If you have zero Spanish, don’t worry about it. Just relax and have a good time.

Andres

11-22-02 03:58

Guys: This article appeared today in Clarin, and it's related to links between prostitution and police in MDP. Let me know if these articles are too nasty, so I don' t post them anymore. Otherwise, I'll continue posting them. Sorry for my lousy translation. Corrections are welcome. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (English) It was revealed that there were " businesses" between police officers and prostitutes Two sargents who "broke" declared the phrase above before judge Pedro Hooft. They also talked about the relation between illegal lotto bet collectors and prostitution in the vacation city. "To make disappear three people is police's work"; "the cause does not finish with a principal or a sergeant"; "Without authorization of the Police, and especially of the Brigade, there cannot be disappearances". The authors of the phrases above are two policemen from Mar del Plata arrested in August -along with another 7- in a cause where the disappearance of three prostitutes is investigated, fact attributed at its moment to a character called "the route psycho" who, it is believed, the same Police created. At the beginning, Robert Shiarkey (43) and Oscar Lizarraga (44) sergeants of the Bonaerense Police, didn't want to declare before judge Pedro Hooft, in charge of the case. But last week "they broke" and they requested to be investigated. When declaring, as of the text to which Clarin had access, both of them involved to police heads and several of its companions in corruption acts. And they explained the nexus between the Police and the business of prostitution in La Perla. Three prostitutes worked there: Ana Maria Nores (26), Silvana Caraballo (26) and Verónica Chávez (25), who disappeared between July 1997 and January 1998. The testimony of the collaborators also aimed at the former federal public prosecutor of Mar del Plata, Marcelo Garcia Berro (41), separated from its position in August. Judge Hooft discovered that he had a relation with one of the disappeared prostitutes, and he was summoned for the charges of "concealment" and "false testimony". First Shiarkey (Monday 11) and soon Lizarraga (Wednesday 13) gave details of police collection from prostitutas, thieves and "leaders" of illegal lotto. They involved othe police officers, already involved in facts that go from "illicit association" to "extorsion" and "facilitación of prostitution": the comissioners Daniel Iglesias and Horacio Pastor, and sergeant majors Alberto Iturburu, Armando Aranda, Miguel Valledor, Fernando Santandreu and Linef Ayala. Shiarkey has four nicknames ("Horse", "Countryman", "Gringo" and "Brush") and, according to what he confessed, some "causes by homicide in fight". He began apologizing for lying in his previous declaration: "the first recommendation that I received was not to send anybody to jail". According to him, Caraballo had affaires with police officers, and she disappeared soon after one of them left her. "Caraballo did not go away, she was carried away, picked up by the Police. I don' t have any doubt that the disappearances have to do with the Police, because of drug issues because she talked too much", he said. "Iturburu beat hardly the prostitutes". "Chávez was worried and threatened, and she requested Ayala if she could work in his zone. She disappeared two days after", he added. Shiarkey also mentioned an episode between Ayala and a prostitute nicknamed "The Gallician": "She told him that if he wanted to gain official appreciation and to know who killed (don't remember if Caraballo or Chávez) he told him: a public prosecutor called Garcia Berro". Ayala commented the commissioners and they said to him "don't bother us". According to this police "In the high seasons, $10,000 to $12,000 per day collected by the police from pickpocketers are distributed from the Departmental to down the command chain". And he said: "As much the personnel of the Brigade as the one of Departmental and Narcocriminalistics went coordinated for the collection form prostitutes in La Perla zone". Two days after summoning Shiarkey, judge Hoof summoned Lizarraga. "Someone commented that Iturburu carried Chávez forth and back", explained the policeman, and he remembered that in 1998 "a problem popped up due to the disappearances, and Valledor told him that the comissioner had to put the money collected from illegal lotto into Courts custody". Lizarraga supported the suspicion of Hooft: "Many police offices are drug users; someone with drug and power doesn't care very much about anything". And he added: "Both Iturburu as Ayala had contacts with Garcia Berro. And Chávez went out with the public prosecutor ". Later the police said that, like his repented colleague, he fears retaliation. Shiarkey said it clearly to Hooft: "I am scared that comes some dirty marginal and it hurts my son or my wife, or he attributes me a crime that I didn't commit." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Spanish) Revelan que había "negocios" entre policías y prostitutas Lo afirmaron dos sargentos que se quebraron y declararon ante el juez Pedro Hooft. También hablaron de la relación con punteros del juego clandestino y la droga en la ciudad balnearia. Hacer desaparecer a tres personas es trabajo de policía"; "La causa no termina con un cabo o un sargento"; "Sin autorización de la Policía, y en particular de la Brigada, no puede haber desapariciones". Los autores de las frases son dos policías de Mar del Plata detenidos en agosto —junto con otros 7— en una causa donde se investiga la desaparición de tres prostitutas, hechos atribuidos en su momento a un personaje llamado "El loco de la ruta"que, se supone, creó la misma Policía. Al principio Roberto Shiarkey (43) y Oscar Lizarraga (44) —sargentos de la Policía bonaerense— no quisieron hablar con el juez Pedro Hooft, a cargo del caso. Pero la semana pasada "se quebraron" y pidieron ser indagados. Al declarar —según consta en el texto al que accedió Clarín— ambos involucraron a jefes policiales y a varios de sus compañeros en actos de corrupción. Y hablaron del nexo entre la Policía y el negocio de la prostitución en La Perla. Allí trabajaban Ana María Nores (26), Silvana Caraballo (26) y Verónica Chávez (25) quienes desaparecieron entre julio de 1997 y enero de 1998. El testimonio de los arrepentidos también apuntó al ex fiscal federal de Mar del Plata, Marcelo García Berro (41), separado de su cargo en agosto. El juez Hooft descubrió que tenía una relación con una de las prostitutas desaparecidas, y lo citó a indagatoria por "encubrimiento" y "falso testimonio". Primero Shiarkey (el lunes 11) y luego Lizarraga (el miércoles 13) dieron detalles de recaudación policial a prostitutas, ladrones y "punteros" de juego clandestino. Incriminaron a policías, ya involucrados en hechos que van desde "asociación ilícita" a "extorsión" y "facilitación de la prostitución": los subcomisarios Daniel Iglesias y Horacio Pastor, y los suboficiales Alberto Iturburu, Armando Aranda, Miguel Valledor, Fernando Santandreu y Linef Ayala. Shiarkey tiene cuatro apodos ("Caballo", "Paisano", "Gringo" y "Cepillo") y, según confesó, algunas "causas por homicidio en riña". Comenzó pidiendo disculpas por mentir en su anterior declaración: "La primera recomendación que recibí fue no mandar a nadie en cana". Según él, Caraballo salía con policías y desapareció luego de que uno de ellos la dejó. "Caraballo no se fue, se la llevaron, se la llevó la Policía. No tengo ninguna duda de que las desapariciones tienen que ver con la Policía, por la droga o porque alguna habló de más", dijo. "Iturburu las cagaba a palos a las prostitutas". "Chávez estaba preocupada y amenazada y le pidió a Ayala si podía trabajar en su zona. Desapareció a los días", agregó . Shiarkey también mencionó un episodio entre Ayala y una prostituta apodada "La gallega": "Ella le dijo que si se quería ganar los laureles y saber quien mató (no recuerdo si a Caraballo o a Chávez) le dijo: un fiscal llamado García Berro". Ayala se lo comentó a los comisarios y le dijeron "que se dejara de joder". Según este policía "en temporada, por aportes de los pungas, se hacen entre 10 mil y 12 mil pesos diarios para repartir desde la Departamental para abajo". Y dijo: "Tanto el personal de la Brigada como el de la Departamental y Narcocriminalidad iban en forma coordinada a la zona de La Perla para recaudar de las prostitutas". Dos días después de escuchar a Shiarkey el juez Hoof indagó a Lizarraga. "Se comentaba que Iturburu llevaba y traía a Chávez", contó el policía y recordó que en 1998 "saltó un problema por las desapariciones y Valledor le comentó que al dinero recaudado por el juego, el comisario lo tuvo que poner en Tribunales". Lizarraga apoyó la sospecha de Hooft : "Muchos policías son consumidores de drogas; a un tipo con poder y falopa le importa nada". Y agregó: "Tanto Iturburu como Ayala tenían contacto con García Berro. Y Chávez salía con el fiscal". Después el policía dijo que, como su colega arrepentido, teme a las venganzas. Shiarkey se lo dijo claramente a Hooft: "Tengo miedo que venga algún mugriento de éstos y le haga algo a mi mujer, a mi hijo o me meta alguna pata de alguna muerta".

Saint

11-22-02 10:09

Thanks for the article Andres. I think it's good to keep all sides of the perspective on our little hobby. It's not all glitz and glamour. Prostitution (some of us don't like calling it that and would like to dream up better words like "the hobby") will always have a dark side to it. Many people mistakenly think prostitution is legal in Buenos Aires or Argentina. It is NOT. Anyone that knows these girls down in Buenos Aires well will discover that there is a very seedy side to this business. Many "independents" are not really independent. Also, even the true independents must often times pay a bribe to someone to keep them out of trouble. That's why I'm not always for paying the cheapest that you can possible pay. Yeah, I would rather have low prices but I never forget what these girls go through. Many of you think it's 'easy money' for these girls. It clearly is not. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade because I clearly have as much fun or more than the next guy. I'm just saying to keep all this in the back of your mind and be a gentleman with the girls. Have fun! Saint

Maddur

12-01-02 16:52

Here is the latest info on MDP. Spent 3 days there and just got back to BA (missed thanksgiving dinner at Lola!). The breakdown on action is as follows: 1) Madahos 2) Classified section in La Capital (Hit or miss) and 3) Other clubs. Hands down Madahos is the best place to go. Nice atmosphere and nonpushy chicas. Your drinks are 15p and chica drinks are 25p. Usual chica rate is 100p for short time. I picked a cutie from Brazil (looks a teeny bit like Cameron Diaz) - tall skiny blonde with an easy smile (name:Kelly). Highly recommended. Looks 8 and service 9. She even offered to come in next day and cook lunch for me for free! There is another club in downtown called Numero Uno. With my zero spanish it was difficult to get there. Many taxi drivers did not know the name. It is about 4 to 5 blocks from the casino. I popped in to take a look and was diasppointed. Most of the chicas were 5 or 6. I left in 10 minutes. Stick to Madahos. Next day, I took a chance and called several providers from the newspaper La Capital (just for research guys :-). Again, if you don't speak sapnish, it is extremely difficult. I somehow convinced the girl at the other end of the phone that I wanted a chica ahora en Manantiales. After 30 minutes, two girls show up - a blonde and a brunette. I am not into threesomes and was not sure how to handle this. I told them in sign language that I needed only one and sent the blonde with 10p for cab. The brunette (Roxanna) was good - looks 7 and service 9. price: 90p. I gave her 120. I stayed at the Manantiales - has a great view of the city, beach and the ocean. Price: about US$40 per night. Did not have time to hit Punta Magotes and the south beaches - definitely next time! (Feel free to email me if you need additional info - rajmaddur at hotmail dot com)

LA Larry

12-08-02 15:54

Nibu-- The train sort of sucks. I took it once and it made all kinds of unannounced stops. First Class was like third class in f-ing Albania. The toliets were abomidable! DO NOT TAKE THE TRAIN. Take the bus. Its air conditioned, and pretty reliable as far as getting you there in the said time. You can also fly very cheaply and it takes only 45-50 minutes (but be warned the jets are ancient birds; ealry model 737s.

Nibu Raphael

12-11-02 02:53

Ah LA Larry no problem must be better then a Mexican or Peruvian train or Fucking Bolivian train. Yeh Bro I doubt I will make it this time around Having too much fan in BA. I know a few trains leave from Ba to like Mar Del Plata,La Plata Plus also I think Rosario,Cordoba and like two other places. I also know like about 10 commuter trains go to a lot of different suburbs of Greater Federal Ba. I have though rode all the lines of the Ba Subway thry line 1 of the Ba Subway it is the old old line with old ancient cars It is like from the 1940s What A Trip. I just rode that line last night with my Peruvian buddy too bad the trains in SA are not 24 hours like in NYC,Chicago and Boston. I have been on all of the few lines of the LA Subway too. A Since I am now posting in Mar Cel Plata La Larry if you can make an update on What is new there great or what yoy expect in Mar De Plata for 2003 PLEASE Tell us. How Many Times have you been in Mar DEl Plata? Met Jackson lat night at 10 Pm Talked with him for an hour and 3 other cool mongers. It was an honor to meet him. Why People like Starfe or Down Ba get mad at me is uncool I am a great guy Sure maybe my grammer is fucked up but I am a very intelligent dude in High School What I did great in was History and Geography. ThanXXX Again La Larry Maybe one day in the future we will hook up. Oh I think Gabriela you mentioned has only a 120 size tits. Saw Some ads for 140 to 160 Size Tits probably big 42 or 44 DDS,,,,,, Later------- NIBU R.......

Kava

12-18-02 02:52

I just got back from 10 day trip to Mar Del Plata. A nice room at Mennantiales, graet shopping, sunny beaches...great trip! And I must add two nights I went over to Madaho's were the best thing I decided to do there. AS soon as I walked into this clean relaxing bar, I couldn't figure out where to sit. There were too many good looking girls of all types. I ended up talking to an argentine girl. I was that intereted in her even though she was a good looking with a knock out body. I politely asked her to tell this one girl I couldn't stop looking at. She came over, and I found out she didn't speak any english at all, and my spanish is almost zero. Well, no problem there, I somehow let her know I was interested in spending some time with her. She was like 5'5", blonde hair, with big natural breats almost hanging out of her shirt, oh plus an amazingly shaped round ass. I give her face 9+ too. She was a knock out. Doorman called for a cab, we got in...we kissed like little kids in the taxi, and I couldn't wait to check how tight her ass was till we got to the hotel. I put my hand down her jeans from behind as she was saying something to the driver, well, her tight thong was enough to make me happy and excited about the hours I was gonna have with her. She didn't ask me for the money when we went into the room. She asked for the music and started doing a little sexy dance routine without stripping. She was great at it. She went into the bathroom and came out with her thong and red shirt. We kissed for about 20 minutes. She was on top of me for the whole time grinding her pussy against me all over. Finally she went down on me started blowing me without condom and tasting my balls...I was amazed how good and into she was. Finally she pulled her shirt up and used her big but not over sized breats to stroke me with. I opened the closet door to see the mirror. I put her infront of it and banged her from behind as she kept sucking on my fingers like a wild cat. I thought I had to last this, so managed to make myself soft again to see what she would do. Wow, she decided to blow me again, I kept stroking fingers up in her pussy making her taste my fingers. I was rock hard again. She stated riding me like there is no tomorrow for a long time. Kissing too. I came but I managed to fake it like I got soft again to make her work on me some more, one more time. I run into the bathroom cleaned myself. She had her thong and shirt on with nipples sticking out, wow, she jestured me to lay flat on bed, stood over me, and did this dance sliding her thong to the side once in a while licking her own nipples. I was almost ready for another one, but I still made her suck me for a while without condom. I was amazed she was rushing anything. I ate her very wet pussy with the thong around her ass, I put my cock on the mirror and made her suck it there as she looked me in my eyes off the mirror. Finally she asked me to put it in by sticking her ass infront of me and pulled the thong to the side. I did her and came. This girl was so good. 2 nights later I went back to the bar to try somebody else, I pickeed up a taller beautiful blonde with huge I mean huge tits in a tight white pants on. I asked her to fuck me in the shower, but she didn't go for it. But she gave me the best ever tits fuck of my life. There is one thing I regret there though. I saw few very young looking girls there dressed like regular girls you see on the street. They look very much like they are very new in the biz, still not knowing what to do. I really wish I tried them. They looked so innocent and I wanted to fuck the shit out of these school girls. I highly recommed this place. Go there around 12:30, take your time, make sure you wait to see girls when they are standing up(you gatta check their ass since girls down there have great ass to go with long skinny legs), enjoy your drink it's cheap there, feel them up in the taxi, and get the best fuck of your life! Have fun...

Saint	12-18-02 13:21
Kava, Great report. Just out of curiosity..how much did you pay for the girls? Inquiring minds want to know. I gave up my Mar Del Plata trip to go to Rio instead. I might stay in Argentina longer if I can extend my ticket. I already tried but American wanted $2700 US to change it to a week later!

Kava	12-18-02 13:56
2700, where the hell are you flying from? anyways, girls asked for 120pesos, but I gave the first girl 200 because I fucked her twice, all that dance she showed me, and she gave me BBBJ for a long long time, 69, and all .... & I gave the other one 150 for the biggest and nicest looking titis she let me play with any way I wanted... have fun