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125 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Sun Jan 2, 2000 4:01am Subject: Getting sick After doing some redirecting of anger: I got sick, sore throat, temperature & I am depressed, fatigued. Louise
This is exactly what will happen and shows you are doing the work. This is from the article. **** Mood swings may get worse but are temporary. There is often a 'high' after a release of anger, which has a fast antidepressant effect. This does not mean one is cured. The 'high' may be followed by depression or a drug-like sleep. The next detoxification crisis will bring relief from the depression. It is important to cry and release feelings of grief, which may be intense and last for many months. Headaches, sweating, and fever are common. **** Headaches and sore throat may be caused by toxins flowing out of your brain through the blood stream. There may be peripheral toxins flowing out too, but if this happens during an emotional detox, it probably has more to do with toxins from the brain. Toxins impinge on nerve endings and cause pain especially in vulnerable areas. And the fever is part of the body's mechanism to help you detox and heal. Depression often follows some detoxing, and it will lift with the next detox. Ellie
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Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
I had this INCREDIBLE high and now I am back to some depression, nothing like it was before, but a little bit. Wondering how I get past this? Rosalee
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 128 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Mon Jan 3, 2000 6:30am Subject: The highs Elnora, I had this INCREDIBLE high and now I am back to some depression, nothing like it was before, but a little bit. Wondering how I get past this? Rosalee
These highs will become less intense, but the depression that often follows will be less and less severe. That your depression was only a little bit is a good sign. Eventually the mood swings will cease, and you may experience intense grief. The good news is that you won't want the highs back or the depression. Euphoria is best defined, not as a high, but as freedom from anxiety and distress...peace of mind that passes all understanding. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 129 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Mon Jan 3, 2000 0:06pm Subject: Sleep I had the EXTREME HIGH and then all I wanted to do was sleep, sleep, sleep and did most of yesterday. Rosalee
Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 130 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Mon Jan 3, 2000 0:17pm Subject: Relationships When I became post flood my codependent relationships ended, and for a while I felt estranged from the world, knowing so many people--I think Melody Beattie says about 95%--are codependent. Janov would call them neurotic. I'm happy to say I soon found that I related to people in a new, easy, and friendly way, sometimes almost intimately with casual friends, and I re-acquainted more casually with some past friends who are still codependent, but not with me. I am also 72 now, and after spending most of my life feeling lonely in unhappy relationships, I enjoy being alone without feeling lonely. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
thanks, sally Dear Sally, Thank you for sharing this. Yes, this self-therapy is not new, but the discovery of the biology has provided the proof that the many methods that seem to come naturally to people are effective. I hope you read the Archives. I realized that this is probably how Jesus accomplished his miracles. You might enjoy some of the Biblical passages I've included in the posts. Are you doing the redirecting back to early abusers. Usually the anger we have in current interactions is more intense than appropriate to the situation and mixed with repressed anger from childhood that needs redirecting. Ellie
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How do I know that this will happen? I WANT IT TO HAPPEN more than anything else I can think of. . . . . .an absence from pills and the other stimulants I regularly use to 'feel better'. I am overwhelmed by the idea that I can leave this behind permanently. . . . . . .. . . .but fearful that I will slide back down in the pit because the battle has been forever. Rosalee
This recovery is a periodic detoxification process. You cannot slide back into the pit. What happens is that, as the toxicosis in the brain is relieved, the detoxification crises, (which are excitatory nervous symptoms) become less intense and less often. Once the repressed anger (which is stored as toxic neurochemicals) is gone, your mood swings will be minimal if at all. This is what I call post flood, ie when about 95% of the repressed anger related to childhood is gone. I chose this not as a point of cure but as a goal. I also needed to reassure prison officials that at this point the prisoners would not want to kill the Warden anymore. Janov calls it post primal. You may not be at the point yet where you will no longer have symptoms, ie detox crises. You might answer the questions in the Welcome message. It is a guide that will give you an idea of whether you are post flood and whether you will experience more symptoms. There is also a flood of grief (also stored as toxic neurochemicals in the brain) that needs to be released....eg crying. This can happen along with the release of anger, or for others is more intense after most of the repressed anger is gone. It can last a good year. Also there will be lingering anger (the other 5%) that needs to be released and redirected (I call this the muddy basin period) for a year or more. Then it will be important to continue to feel and release anger in current interactions, or the neurons can reclog and symptoms can reappear. Freedom from anxiety and distress does not mean that we don't feel. We have anger, sadness, and joy, like newborns. What it means is that we can feel and process feelings in situations, and resolve them, so that we no longer have intense anxiety or depression. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
Sally:
The feeling of being tired and sleeping more than usual is normal in the therapy. Some have claimed (Thomas Stone in "Cure By Crying") that the tiredness and sleepiness is when the proper neurological connections are being made. Jack
Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 135 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Tue Jan 4, 2000 10:32am Subject: Prayer Ellie, I am redirecting the anger that arises. I don't find alot of anger, as the past 4 years, I have let it out in privacy by pounding and screaming at past abuser, as past abuser was also my current abuser for 45 years and I directed the current pain to the past pain. But there are things that happen now that 'remind' me of the past abuser, so I will be directing it to that source. Had a friend for many years that is 'acting' like past abuser, realized last night, to not be angry with her but redirect anger, pounded on the armrest on computer as I was reading archives. and directed the anger to the past and even my stomach felt better, I think the rejection of what I was feeling was sending toxins into my stomach and making me feel nauseous, and now I am feeling a lot better physically. There are some things that arise I can't put a situation with so far. Like a newspaper lady walked out on me cause I wouldn't consent to her advertising, she tries to use control and manipulation to get me to advertise, (I have a small business) it just gets me upset and the thing in my stomach happens, I want to confront her, yet I am trying to place where this comes into play, except my past abusers walked out on me and stayed out til I did what they wanted and still do to this day, that's what I disconnected from them 5 years ago and started recovery from. It's like if I confront this lady I will feel I've gained ground in if my past abusers which could be present abuser ever return I can handle them. I know I would get the semi high from confronting her, I don't get the big highs from confronting or standing my ground as I used to more of a satisfaction that feels high, but it is still there. I understand that will go as the process heals. Sally
Sounds like you have already done most of the work of releasing repressed anger. I too found I didn't have to blast away at any current abusers anymore. Sometimes I confront them and other times I don't bother, as long as I've had my anger in private.
I just wrote that the high making me feel 'satisfied', that is what you are saying here, it brings that freedom from anxiety and distress...because if something weighs heavily on my mind, to causes anxiety and stress. I can see what the process is for now. Like Jesus said, "Do you want to be made whole." then this is the way......I only found 2 articles on the site, is there more, I printed them out to read them during the day, until I understand them completely and can recognize the process as it happens and can appropriate as needed. You know I have prayed God would set me free THIS YEAR. I knew there was an answer somewhere, as He has shown me many answers throughout my life, and I walk in alot of freedom and plan on having more and more. I can also relate to the distress causing fatigue and exhaustion. Wow, knowing this you'd think we'd care enough about ourselves to prevent this by working this out. I plan on it, I have way too promising a future and things to do to miss out on this adventure of life. Thanks for our information on this biology of emotions. Sally There are only two articles, Sally, the short one is on two sites, and a longer version is on the nyu.pages.site, and there is lots in the Archives, but it sounds like you are already knowledgeable about how to do this--a gift from God to you--as was the understanding of the biology to me. I too found God answered my prayers for help. It never worked for me to pray for my husband to get sober, or for others, but I have three prayers that worked for me...Help...Thy Will... and Thanks. But I doubt of God requires peoples prayers or even belief in him. Children brought up believing in a punitive God are not likely think much of God. I watched the Pope speaking on New Years Day...I felt sorry he is so sick with Parkinson's, and looks like too much food...And Billy Graham sounds suicidal...he wants to be up in heaven to watch the end of the world. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
I am living through a very difficult period in my life. At 52, I have finally made a decision that was long overdue. I have decided that I no longer need to take the emotional abuse that my mother dishes out. She is now 81, and has badgered me most of my years. Only 4 years ago, I moved her and my stepfather to live near us, as I have always been a dutiful daughter and answered her requests. I always tried to "make her happy". Needless to say, I have never succeeded. We all know the reason for that! It was never my job in the first place! Well, anyway, now that I have made this decision to keep her out of my life, I am getting flack from my children, etc. Nobody can judge me unless they have walked in my shoes. My husband supports me wholeheartedly. My therapist told me long ago to sever the relationship. The problem now is that I have been extremely depressed and have ceased my exercise routine completely. I guess that I am still carrying her guilt on my back. I realized too that she dished out the abuse and I have always taken the guilt for it! Sounds sick? You bet it is. I need some guidance on how to get free of her grip. Although we are not on speaking terms, I still feel her control. Feedback is deeply appreciated. Mary
Dear Mary, One of the things I don't want to do is make suggestions about relationships because everyone is different. I can say that I did confront my 95 year old aunt in a letter by telling her the truth about her codependency with me...she was a mother substitute since my own mother died when I was fairly young. I had been caretaking by flying out to Illinois frequently...and she didn't need me...she's well taken care of in a lovely retirement residence and lots of other relatives nearby, but I was such an enabler, she actually thought I might move in with her. We didn't speak for a while, but then I reached out to her by phone, and told her I loved her, and now we are good friends on the phone. We talk about once a week. I no longer visit her. She sometimes says something about how wonderful my cousin is who often visits her, and I just ignore it. BUT for me, the important thing that released me was knowing that any feelings of guilt I had about this were ANGER TURNED INWARD...my mother's voice in my head saying 'Shame on you for thinking of yourself first'...and whenever that guilt arose, I said to my mother 'get out of my head' or I did some banging on the bed and fu prayers, mostly at my mother, but a little bit at my aunt too. My mother taught me the fifth commandment should be the first. I was raised to be the 'dutiful daughter' and put myself last. This is something I told my aunt when I confronted her and that I was no longer going to be a dutiful niece with her. I even told her the lovely expensive trips she gave me were buying me. Now I just remind her how wonderful those trips were. She's still codependent, but not with me, and I feel her respect). Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
Thanks, sally Tears are so healing. I too fall asleep easily. I now sleep soundly but lightly compared to the old drug like sleep. When I have trouble sleeping now it's usually that I ate something my body didn't want and it's trying to detox it. As good as my diet is, it's not always possible to eat the right foods at the right time, and this can interfere with my sleep. One way to know most of the anger is gone is when dreams are no longer scary. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
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