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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3879. . . . . . . . . . . . Just for today card From: dobbo101 . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/22/2006 3:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Can anyone tell me where the just for today cards we use in the UK originate from. Also are they used in the rest of the world, USA, etc.?
sponsorship From: Fred . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/22/2006 10:15:00 AM
of the fellowship,in many places and different publications Roland Hazard is mentioned and his association with The Oxford Group. The discussion centered around SPONSORSHIP and its origins.
the discussion as carrying the message to Ebby and working with Dr. Sam Shoemaker at Calvary Mission. We could not determine, nor verify any reference to Roland Hazard having an Oxford Group sponsor.
Hazard's Oxford Group Sponsor?" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3881. . . . . . . . . . . . AA birthday celebrations From: robinjshearer . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/21/2006 6:45:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am curious as to when and how the AA birthday celebration started. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3882. . . . . . . . . . . . 1st alcoholic trustee of AA''s Indenture of Trust ? From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/21/2006 6:00:00 PM
Convention last year in Toronto, former AA non-alcoholic trustee Michael Alexander mentions, after the first speaker, about AA having an "Indenture of Trust" and that the first Chairperson was an alcoholic. As a former Chairperson of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Intergroup Association, I know that on the legal papers I was listed as President and CEO rather than Chairperson. This was done for legal purposes.
subsequent Chairs have been non-alcoholic so that they can use their full name and so there will be no anonymity concerns. ______________________________
were alcoholics: 08/38 to 02/39 - William "Bill" R. Returned to drinking and had to resign. 04/39 to 12/39 - Harry B. Also returned to drinking and had to resign. Following Harry B the board chair has been a non-alcoholic ever since." ______________________________
Foundation which later became the General Service Board of AA.
Indenture of Trust ? Hoping for an answer.. Shakey Mike Gwirtz ______________________________ P.S. The speakers of this Pioneers of AA Meeting were 1. Harry "the Wino" V. my sponsor 2. Margaret C 3. George D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3883. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Use of the word "slip" in early AA From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/21/2006 12:21:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Use of the word "slip" in early AA Not sure about the Grapevine article but the term slip or slipper was used very early on. The first edition story "The Backslider" clearly explains what the term slip means. In a "spiritual life one is either going forward or backwards and if one continues going backwards, one will surely slip and fall."
Backslider." A backslider in most churches is a person who once experienced grace but turned away.
AA From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/25/2006 4:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The word slip, meaning a recovering alcoholic drinking again, is used twice in pp. 1-164 [current editions] of the Big Book, on p. 100 and again on p. 139.
Life/As Bill Sees It: pp. 11, 28, 68, 99, 153, 184, 197, and 251. He also used it in the article "Ours Not to Judge" in the August 1946 Grapevine. Ernie G's story in the First Edition Big Book was titled "Seven Month Slipper." Nancy O, the founder of this group, used it repeatedly in her bios of Big Book story authors. The word has been in the A.A. lexicon for almost seventy years. Tommy H in Baton Rouge - - - At 23:21 11/20/2006, James Blair wrote: Use of the word "slip" in early AA: Not sure about the Grapevine article but the term slip or slipper was used very early on. The first edition story "The Backslider" clearly explains what the term slip means. In a "spiritual life one is either going forward or backwards and if one continues going backwards, one will surely slip and fall."
sponsorship From: diztitcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/25/2006 4:41:00 PM
ever had sponsorship. Rowland never joined AA, the only one of his friends that did was Cebra Graves.
"Fred" Who was Rowland Hazard's Oxford Group Sponsor? - - - From the moderator (Glenn C., South Bend): This was not sponsorship in the AA sense, but see Richard M. Dubiel, The Road to Fellowship: The Role of the Emmanuel Movement and the Jacoby Club in the Development of Alcoholics Anonymous. (http://hindsfoot.org/kdub1.html and http://hindsfoot.org/kdub2.html) Courtenay Baylor of the Emmanuel Movement became Rowland Hazard's therapist in 1933, and continued to work with him through 1934. It is under the influence of Baylor's Emmanuel Movement therapy that Hazard actually began to recover. Hazard was also attending Oxford Group meetings, but his family was paying Baylor to be his regular therapist. Boston AA arose out of the context of the Emmanuel Movement and the Jacoby Club (their group was never part of the Oxford Group, unlike Akron, New York, and Cleveland AA). IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3886. . . . . . . . . . . . Meditation From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 3:39:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Glenn C., "Twelve-Step Meditation in the A.A. Big Book and the 12 and 12," describes the way Bill W. recommended that we meditate in Alcoholics Anonymous and in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. This is a Microsoft Word document, requires MS Word to read:
(found on page http://hindsfoot.org/spiritu.html)
the same thing as the Hindu technique called Transcendental Meditation. But it is recommended that part of our period of morning prayer and meditation be a brief "quiet time." Various methods of quieting the mind, including using mental imagery (suggested by Bill W.), Jacobson's method of progressive relaxation, and so on. Richmond Walker's Twenty-Four Hours a Day and Emmet Fox's Golden Key. - - - Responding to Message 3857 from "Henrik Rue" henrik.rue@edb.dk (henrik.rue@edb.dk)
defined as, at the time of writing Alcoholics Anonymous? I do not expect it to be some eastern way of meditation." - - - A NOTE FOR GERMAN-SPEAKING AA's: It is very difficult to translate the English word "spirituality" into German. For German speaking AA's, it is easier to understand what was being talked about in the Big Book by looking at Jakob Friedrich Fries' idea of obtaining an Ahnung (a hint, intuition, or presentiment) of the Infinite, Friedrich Schleiermacher's idea of the Gefuehl (feeling) and Anschauung (intuition) of absolute dependence upon God, and especially Rudolf Otto's idea of the Gefuehl of das Heilige (the awareness of the holy or sacred dimension to reality). That was what Bill W. was talking about in the Big Book on pp. 1, 10, and 12 (the experience at Winchester Cathedral and Bill's grandfather's experience when gazing at the starry heavens above and experiencing what Immanuel Kant called the experience of the Sublime). It is not the same as a Begriff (an intellectual concept). Unfortunately, the philosophy of G. W. F. Hegel (1770-1831) turned the German word Geist into an intellectualized notion (philosophy, political theory, economic theory, legal theory, and so on became die Geisteswissenschaften in post-Hegelian German usage). In German culture to this day, the word Geist therefore tends to have that kind of intellectualized sense.
to speak of the solution to the alcoholic's problem as "Spiritus contra spiritum." The English word "spirit" still preserves the original meaning of the Latin word "spiritus," so in English we do not have to use the Latin word to make it clear that we are talking about a non-intellectualized realm of immediate feeling and intuitive knowledge and awareness when we speak of the "spiritual."
what is meant by the "quiet time" which is part of our eleventh step morning prayer and meditation. The brief period of quiet time means a few minutes when we stop thinking constantly in terms of Begriffe and open our minds up instead to feelings of gratitude, appreciation, being surrounded by God's love and care, the beautiful and the sublime, the holiness of the universe and everything in it (from the starry heavens above to the wildflowers growing in an Alpine meadow), the moral dimension of our lives, and so on.
der Idee des gottlichen und sein Verhaeltnis zum Rationalen" (1917). The most useful book ever written, I believe, for helping German speaking people in the twelve step program to understand what the English speaking people are actually talking about when they talk about "spirituality" all the time.
(1799), English translations use titles like "Speeches on Religion to its Cultured Despisers." Schleiermacher was part of the same world as Goethe, Novalis, Hoelderlin, and Schelling (and in music Mozart, Beethoven, and Wagner). The tradition of German spirituality (in the English sense of the word "spirituality") began with Schleiermacher. Rudolf Otto, "The Philosophy of Religion Based on Kant and Fries" (1931). I assume that the original German edition of this book is available in Germany, but I must apologize, because I do not know the exact German title. Jakob Friedrich Fries (1773-1843) was the first great Kantian commentator (see his "Neue oder anthropologische Kritik der Vernunft"). He applied for the position as Professor of Philosophy at the newly created University of Berlin, but G. W. F. Hegel (who tried to completely intellectualize spirituality, as the unfolding of the Geist in human history through a sequence of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis) was given the position instead. And poor Fries, who had spoken out openly in favor of democracy and having democratically elected parliaments, was stuck at the University of Jena, where the Grand Duke of Weimar (who controlled that area at that time) forbade him to lecture on philosophy for many years, during which time Hegel's style of philosophy took over the German speaking world. There has recently been a revival of interest in Fries' work in both the German and English speaking worlds, so perhaps this brilliant philosopher may finally receive his due. I don't think I agree with Fries' solution to the Kantian problem, but I can guarantee that Kant will never look the same again to anyone who studies Fries' detailed analysis of what Kant was actually doing in his "Kritik der reinen Vernunft," and why Kant's continued assumption of many Platonic concepts of the world made him believe (falsely) that our human minds could not gain access to anything outside the box of space and time in which they were imprisoned. Richmond Walker talks about that part of Kant's thought in many passages in "Twenty-Four Hours a Day," but argues that our minds can in fact pierce through the veil of the box of space and time through a kind of meditation based on feeling and intuition. This little book could also be useful to German speaking AA's, in better understanding the feeling and intuition based experience which is being referred to by the English word "spirituality" in the Big Book. Glenn F. Chesnut, South Bend, Indiana glennccc@sbcglobal.net (glennccc at sbcglobal.net)
From: Edgar . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 8:24:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Dec. 1993 Grapevine article says that two companies were sued for refusing to stop using the Circle and Triangle emblem, as requested by New York. More than 100 other companies making doo-dads and trinkets had already acceded to NY's request.
What law firm represented AA in what court? What was the outcome of the suits?
Afterward" From: nick675833 . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 9:46:00 AM
the bottom of page 122? regards nick - - - "A doctor said to us, 'Years of living with an alcoholic is almost sure to make any wife or child neurotic. The entire family is, to some extent, ill.'"
Note from the moderator: this is the "founding manifesto" (if we may) of Al-Anon Family Groups, Alateen, Adult Children of Alcoholics, and the other twelve step groups which were formed to deal with this enormous problem. Glenn C.
History
From: chesbayman56 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/1/2006 12:28:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dec Dec 1934 - Bill and Lois start attending Oxford Group meetings. Dec 1934 to May 1935 - Bill works with alcoholics, but fails to sober any of them. Lois reminds him HE is sober. Dec 1938 - Twelve Steps written. Nov/Dec 1939 - Akron group withdrawals from association with Oxford Group. Meetings moved from T Henry and Clarence Williams to Dr Bob and other members homes. Dec 1939 - First AA group in mental institution, Rockland State Hospital, NY. Dec 1939 - 1st home meeting in Los Angeles at Kaye M.'s house. Dec 1939 - Matt Talbot Club has 88 members, uses wagons to collect old furniture to recondition and sell, not A.A., used A.A. program, material, marked 1st effort reach alcoholics outside married middle- class category. Dec 1940 - 1st AA group formed in St. Louis, Missouri. Dec 1940 - group started Ashtabula, Ohio due to Plain Dealer articles. A.A. Cleveland has about 30 groups. Dec 1948 - Dr. Bob's last major talk, in Detroit. Dec 1950 - Grapevine article signed by both Bill and Dr Bob recommend establishing AA General Service Conference. Dec 1955 - 'Man on the Bed' painting by Robert M. first appeared in Grapevine. Painting originally called 'Came to Believe' Dec 1982 - Nell Wing retires from GSO after 35 years of service. Dec 1, 1940 - Chicago Daily Tribune begins a series of articles on AA by Nall Hamilton. Dec 5, 1985 - Dave B, founder of Montreal Group dies weeks before 50th anniversary. His story added to the 4th Edition Big Book. Dec 6, 1939 - Bert the Tailor lends Works Publishing $1000. Dec 6, 1979 - Akron Beacon reports death of Henrietta Sieberling. Dec 7, 1949 - Sister Ignatia received Poverello Medal on behalf of A.A.
Dec 10, 1975 - Birds of a Feather AA group for pilots is formed. Dec 11, 1934 - Bill admitted to Towns Hosp 4th/last time (fall '33, '34 in summer, midsummer and final admittance). Dec 11, 1941 - Dallas Morning News reports 1st AA group formed in Dallas. Dec 12, 1934 - Bill has Spiritual Experience at Towns Hospital. Dec 12, 1937 - Bill meets with Rockefeller Foundation and tries to get money. Dec 13, 1937 - Rockland State Mental Hospital takes patients to meeting in New Jersey. Dec 13 or 14, 1934 - Ebby visited Bill at hospital, brought William James's book, "Varieties of Religious Experience". Dec 19, 1939 - Los Angeles hold their 1st AA meeting there. Dec 20, 1945 - Rowland H dies (he carried the Oxford Gp message to Ebby). Dec 27, 1893 - Rev Samuel Shoemaker is born. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3891. . . . . . . . . . . . Baltimore Chip House -- name of chart on wall From: twelvestepswetook . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/29/2006 2:31:00 PM
that was on the wall of the Baltimore Chip House (Charles Village meeting on Calvert Street) when I got sober there in 1991. I don't think it was Dr. Jellinek's curve, although it may have been a variation.
increase to a certain point and then start going down as the disease progressed.
in the Chip House for many years, and when I was there it was on the main floor near the staircase.
I'm on the West Coast now and can't look myself to see if it's still there!
From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/29/2006 8:34:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "High Praise for the Charm of Recovering Alcoholics" by Fulton Oursler There are times when I wish I were an alcoholic. I mean I wish I were a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. The reason is that I consider the AA people the most charming in the world. Such is my considered opinion. As a journalist, it has been my privilege to meet many people who are considered charming. I number among my friends stars and lesser lights on stage and cinema; writers are my daily diet; I know ladies and gentlemen of both political parties; I have been entertained in the White House; I've broken bread with kings, ambassadors and ministers; and I say that I would prefer an evening with my AA friends to any person I've indicated. I asked myself why I considered so charming these alcoholic caterpillars who have found their butterfly wings in AA. There are more reasons than one, but I can name a few. The AA people are what they are, and they are what they were, because they are sensitive, imaginative, possessed of a sense of humor, an awareness of the universal truth. They are sensitive, which means they are hurt easily, and that helped them become alcoholics. But when they found their restoration they are as sensitive as ever; responsive to the beauty and the truth and eager about the intangible glories of this life. That makes them charming companions.
that is often new in their heart. This fact that this at-one moment with God's universe had never been awakened within them is the reason they drink. They have found a power greater than themselves, which they diligently serve. And that gives them a charm that never was elsewhere on the land and sea; it makes you know that God is charming, because the AA people reflect his mercy and forgiveness.
alcoholics. Some of them drank to flog their imaginations onto greater efforts. Others guzzled only to block out unendurable visions that arose in their imaginations. But when they found their restorations, their imagination is responsive to new incantations and their talk abounds with color and might, and that makes them charming companions, too.
cups they have known to be damnably funny. Often it was being forced to take seriously the little and mean things of life that made them seek their escape in the bottle. But when they found their restoration, their sense of humor finds a blessed freedom and they are able to laugh at themselves, the very height of self-conquest. Go to their meetings and listen to their laughter. At what are they laughing? At ghoulish memories over which weaker souls would cringe in useless remorse. And that makes them wonderful people to be with by candlelight.
author, and Hollywood screenwriter, and was an early Oxford Group member and friend to AA. He passed away in the year 1952. His official relationship with AA is as follows: Sept. 30, 1939, the very popular weekly Liberty Magazine, headed by Fulton Oursler, carried a piece titled "Alcoholics and God" by Morris Markey (who was influenced to write the article by Charles Towns). It generated about 800 inquiries from around the nation. Oursler (author of The Greatest Story Ever Told) became good friends with Bill W and later served as a Trustee and member of the Grapevine editorial board. In Oct. 1949, Dr. William D. Silkworth and Fulton Oursler joined the Alcoholic Foundation Board.)
sponsorship From: James Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 4:43:00 PM
ever had sponsorship." They did not formally refer to helping a new man as "sponsorship." They did have a saying that went: "Walk with the new man until he becomes a life changer. Then, leave him alone as the needs of others will drive him back to God."
From: spebsqsa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/30/2006 1:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone have estimated numbers on the growth of online A.A. meeting participation? How many A.A. members use their digital meetings as their home groups with little or no face-to-face meeting activity?
invitation to debate the need/value of F2F meetings.]
chart on wall From: Rob White . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/2/2006 3:40:00 PM
Baltimore Robert White UMB-Psychiatry 410-328-8549 >>> "twelvestepswetook" >>>
I'm trying to locate the name of a consumption chart that was on the wall of the Baltimore Chip House (Charles Village meeting on Calvert Street) when I got sober there in 1991. I don't think it was Dr. Jellinek's curve, although it may have been a variation.
increase to a certain point and then start going down as the disease progressed.
in the Chip House for many years, and when I was there it was on the main floor near the staircase.
I'm on the West Coast now and can't look myself to see if it's still there!
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From: ollie_olorenshaw . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 7:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have been putting together a one page pictorial history of the formation of AA for my sponsees. I have been unable to find a picture of Roland Hazard. Does anyone know if one exists? many thanks Ollie - - - From the moderator: Mel Barger gave us a photo of Rowland Hazard, taken around 1943 or 1944, which is posted on the internet at:
camera, but it should be good enough to get an idea of what he looked like.
and Cora Finch. The two of them, working completely independently, came upon the same archival documents and established that Rowland arrived in Zurich in May 1926 (not 1931, the date given in the older AA literature). See Bluhm's article "Verification of C.G. Jung's analysis of Rowland Hazard and the history of Alcoholics Anonymous" in the American Psychological Association's journal History of Psychology in November 2006 and Cora Finch's long account of Rowland Hazard's life and struggles with alcoholism at http://www.stellarfire.org/ if you want to get the most up-to-date information on Rowland Hazard and the period when he was Carl Jung's patient in Switzerland.
Big Book
From: sober_in_nc . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/2/2006 2:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Someone surprised me the other day with a question I've never heard ... On the dust jack to the first edition, on the back, at the bottom, is a money back guarantee that the publishers will refund the $3.50 and postage, if the buyer is dissatisfied with the book. Do we know how many people took Works Publishing up on this offer? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3898. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Circle and Triangle lawsuit From: hartsell . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/26/2006 7:37:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Edgar, I can not quote you "scripture and verse" but someone here no doubt can and hopefully will, but my memory is that the outcome was A.A. lost, dropped out of the suit, could not of course Prove Their Case.
of the Circle and Triangle as symbol of "official literature"; but of course ANY A.A. CAN use the symbol as it is in the public domain, just as it was at the time A.A. brought suit.
recall is because of a personal conversation I had with Wayne P. of Ark. at a NETA function when the whole mess began. Sherry C.H. -----Original Message----- From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:25 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Circle and Triangle lawsuit The Dec. 1993 Grapevine article says that two companies were sued for refusing to stop using the Circle and Triangle emblem, as requested by New York. More than 100 other companies making doo-dads and trinkets had already acceded to NY's request.
What law firm represented AA in what court? What was the outcome of the suits?
detective novels From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 1:38:00 PM
and James Lee Burke" (1999), discusses the life and writings of these two best-selling authors of detective fiction, and their fictional heroes Matthew Scudder and Dave Robicheaux, who are portrayed in the novels in sensitive and insightful fashion as alcoholics who got sober in A.A. The article may be found at either http://www.uwsp.edu/comm/rdubiel/research/slueth.htm or http://hindsfoot.org/sleuth.html - - - Prof. Dubiel is an unusually perceptive historian. The influence of AA on popular culture in the United States has been incredibly deep and pervasive. Most other contemporary American historians have not begun to realize this yet, or write about it, but its impact has been at least as great as that of the Great Awakening on the Thirteen Colonies in the period right before the American Revolution, and is well on its way to achieving the same broad cultural influence which Frontier Revivalism had on nineteenth century American history.
American detective literature was a hard-boiled, hard-bitten, hard-drinking character who had a bottle of whiskey tucked in his desk drawer, which he regularly turned to as a solution to all of life's difficulties. But by the 1990's, there were hardly any heroes left in the popular detective novels who were drinking much alcohol at all, and a surprising number who were portrayed as men (and now women too) who had had a history of alcohol abuse, but were now staying away from the bottle and realizing the destructive effect it had had on their lives.
going to AA meetings and gaining strength and solutions to their problems from the little meetings in the church basements. The two best-drawn characters of this new breed of fictional hero were Matthew Scudder in Lawrence Block's novels (set in New York City, one of the classical settings of the traditional American detective story), and Dave Robicheaux in James Lee Burke's novels (which are placed in a very different kind of setting, the exotic, French-speaking world of Cajun Louisiana, where the strains of "Jolie Blonde" drift from the little dancing and drinking establishments, and Spanish moss drapes from the trees while the ghosts of Conferate cavalrymen ride tirelessly through the mists hanging over the dark bayous).
same quiet spread of A.A. ideas and the ethic of the twelve steps into American television, particularly the sit-coms and comedies. Jokes and comic situations and characters in various humorous episodes revolve around making amends or trying to maintain one's self-affirmation or something else that is clearly drawn from twelve step culture, and -- which is the important part -- the audiences recognize what is going on. There is no air of puzzlement, or "what are they talking about?" They understand the twelve step culture, at least to a certain extent, and they laugh, and keep on turning the television knob back to that station every week.
flamboyant and noisy, and everybody in town knew when one was going on. The great revivalists were promoters who went to great lengths to make sure that their pictures and names were put up in lights everywhere people turned. A.A. meetings are quiet and unobtrusive. You can walk past on the street and not even realize that people are sitting around a table in the basement of the building, talking about the twelve steps. The anonymity rules in the twelve traditions have, as their almost sole purpose, restraining the flamboyant promoters (of whom the fellowship has many!) until they are safely dead. So A.A. comes into a town, and no one notices it all that much, at the conscious level. But it is said that every alcoholic who keeps on drinking has a traumatically destructive effect upon a great number of "earth people," non-alcoholics (both in the family and the workplace and elsewhere), and we can see that the reverse must also be true, by observing what has happened in the United States over the past seventy years. Recovered alcoholics can redeem their pasts by quietly spreading an atmosphere of peace and harmony and personal responsibility for one's actions to the "earth people" around them, not by preaching, but by actually living by the principles of the twelve steps and twelve tradtions. "You are the salt of the earth," it says in the Sermon on the Mount, where even a tiny pinch of salt can give flavor to the entire dish. Something good may be happening in the United States, and we hope that it will keep on happening. And as we can see from the fictional exploits of Matthew Scudder and Dave Robicheaux, we don't have to be boringly conventional people in the way we do it, or totally destroy our alcoholic love of words, and our love of flamboyance and romance and adventure and our larger-than-life enthusiasms. We just have to learn how to do it in ways where we don't hurt people. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) - - - Lawrence Block's novels A Dance at the Slaughterhouse. NewYork: Avon, 1992. Even the Wicked. New York: William Morrow, 1997. Everybody Dies. New York: William Morrow, 1998. In the Midst of Death. 1976. New York: Avon, 1992. The Sins of the Father. 1976. Arlington Heights, IL.: Dark Harvest, 1992. When the Sacred Ginmill Closes. New York: Arbor House, 1986. - - - James Lee Burke's novels A Morning for Flamingos. 1990. New York: Avon, 1991. Black Cherry Blues. 1989. New York: Avon, 1990. Heaven's Prisoners. New York: Henry Holt, 1988. Sunset Limited. New York: Doubleday, 1998. The Neon Rain. 1987. New York: Pocket Books, 1988.
to Fellowship: The Role of the Emmanuel Movement and the Jacoby Club in the Development of Alcoholics Anonymous" (2004), the book which first opened up the question of Rowland Hazard's real relationship to the Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung.
http://hindsfoot.org/kdub2.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3901. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Meditation From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/27/2006 6:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The only true test of Step 11 Prayer and Meditation is contained in the step itself, "Did your prayer and meditation improve your conscious contact with God?"
feeling or an empty mind, perhaps you should abandon what you're doing and try something new. As with the Big Book and the 12 by 12, there are specific topics and subjects to focus on in meditation (BB, pgs 69, 83, 86-87, 12X12, pg 99). As Father Joe once said, "Meditation is the contemplation of God's truth for me." From that simple statement, I can extract all of BB pgs 86-87 and the 12x12 pg 99, and much much more.
the beginning of meetings From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/28/2006 3:50:00 PM
meeting and started browsing through my PDA. It is from Significant March Dates in A.A. History from the series that is posted here monthly: "March 1940 - Mort J. came to LA from Denver; started custom of reading Chapter 5 Big Book at Cecil group."
Denver area to read How It Works at the start of meetings?
on Dec. 10 From: Robt Woodson . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/2/2006 4:35:00 PM
and confirmed an invitation to attend a Candle Lighting Ceremony to honor Bill's Spiritual Experience and his subsequent sobriety at Town's Hospital in New York City.
friends from Mexico City, myself and a sponsee (from Akron) will be there the ceremony at 11:59pm just before Noon on the 10th of December...it is our great hope that some of you might join us there for a moment of reflection...at 11.59pm a candle will be lit inside the window there... followed by the lighting of two lights outside, one for Bill and one for Doctor Bob...other lights will be lit and passed on from the first. This will be the second year that this ceremony has been held and the first that it was opened, as here, to the fellowship and friends of AA. I hope that we might see some of you there. Thankyou for your interest, Best Wishes in this busy Season of Holidays and Celebration, Woody in Akron IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3904. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Photo of Rowland Hazard From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/2/2006 8:31:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The photo of Rowland Hazard is posted on the internet at: http://hindsfoot.org/archive3.html Hi Ollie, Here's all I have on Rowland Hazard. This photo was obviously taken in 1943 or 1944, as it shows their son Peter in his Naval officer's uniform, and he had most likely just graduated from officers' training school or perhaps flight school. They are in front of their home in Peace Dale, Rhode Island. Peter was lost in early 1945 and was listed as missing in action when Rowland died. The brief account of his death is recorded in a book titled "The Little Giants," published by the Naval Institute. He was a pilot on one of the baby flattops and was killed while pursuing a Japanese Val; he flew through some flak from our own antiaircraft guns. The Hazards had previously lost another son as a result of an accident, so they had their share of profound grief. Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com (melb at accesstoledo.com)
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/2/2006 9:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I see the Brattleboro Retreat referred to again as the Asylum. My maternal grandmother lived in Brattleboro as did an aunt and uncle. The locals call it "The Retreat" and their web site says the term goes back to when it was founded in 1834. I have sent them an email asking what the historical name of the institution was and if it changed from asylum to retreat, when that happened. Tommy IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3906. . . . . . . . . . . . "Qualification" From: johnpublico . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 3:10:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Lawrence Block, in his Matthew Scudder detective series set in NY City, uses "qualification" and "qualifying" in apparent reference to an AA speaker's story. In Charlotte and several other cities where I've attended meetings, I've never encountered this usage. Can anyone tell me whether the terms are still used and if so how widespread they are? John IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3907. . . . . . . . . . . . Tommy H. on Big Book changes ("at" vs. "for") From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 3:01:00 PM
(cometkazie1 at cox.net) We had the "at" vs "for" discussion and I have found where As Bill Sees It changed the wording of "Deep down . . . . is a fundamental idea of God" from p. 66. As Bill Sees It has "idea of a God," which is a lot different. It's like that in the first printing. There are a number of changes, but the editors tell us some changes are made "in the interest of clarity." They changed victory in the 3rd Step Prayer to transcendence, but that doesn't seem to me to add clarity.
noon on Dec. 10 From: doclandis@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 9:44:00 AM
10th of December" I hope that you mean 11:59 a.m., instead of p.m., because while noon does eventually follow midnight, it is 12 hours away.
BIG Candles! It sounds like a really cool gathering. I wish I could be there. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3909. . . . . . . . . . . . Is there a distinctive "California AA"?
From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 12:40:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Has there been, historically, a distinctive kind of "California AA"? In another forum, I recently made a (mistaken?) off-the-wall comment, using the phrase "California Program" and "California AA" . . . and I'm wondering . . . where did this originate and what exactly was it meant to convey, if anything?
all my AA life (I'm on the East Coast, never been to meetings west of Denver, but plenty of others in other parts of this side of there . . . and I've heard the phrase more than once, usually by "old timers" in "fundamentalist" type meetings.
the same way as did other similar type of labels, like "New York AA" and "Akron AA" and "Cleveland Style" . . . Anyone shed any enlightenment on this for me? Jon (Raleigh) 9/9/82
some folk who happen to be from California, either [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3910. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Circle and Triangle lawsuit From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 4:53:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Surely "NY" (i.e. presumably GSO) had no power to abitrarily drop the circle and triangle symbol from all our literature etc - surely that would have been a Conference decision? Laurie A. >From: "hartsell" Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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