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From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2006 8:21:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From the 1969 General Service Conference Report "Robert P_______ ... was elected to the General Service Board in July 1968.
He had his last drink in 1961. He is a director of the Grapevine Corporate Board, as well as of A. A. W. S., Inc. He was chairman of the Public Information Committee of the New York Intergroup and is a former president of the Fairfield County (Conn.) Council on Alcoholism. He is an executive with Shell Oil Company."
of our trusted servants. ************************************************** Mark Everett 517 Cherry Hill Lane Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608 Phone: (513) 228-0078 Cell: (513) 850-4911 eFax: (267) 851-2083 e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com **************************************************
From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2006 8:27:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII http://www.billwanddrbob.com/index.htm IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3805. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bob P. From: Wendi Turner . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/24/2006 1:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Is there an email address for Bob or his familly, some place to send a card and/or email well wishes??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Carter Elliott To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bob P.
"many things," will be happy to know he's recovering from a stroke (which he had two weeks ago) at his Idaho home. Carter E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3806. . . . . . . . . . . . Help with historic New York City AA photos
From: Al Welch . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2006 10:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Looking for photos of buildings of A.A. interest in the New York City area for the following page: http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/historic%20sites.htm For the following buildings: Calvary Church/House 21st and Park Ave 30 Vesey Street 415 Lexington Ave. 141 E. 44th Street 315 E 45th Street 468 Park Avenue 38 Livingstonm St
(welch at a-1associates.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3807. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Online and web-paged groups From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/25/2006 11:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In about 1996 or so I put up a schedule for the Show Me group in Denton, Texas. It was just one page with the schedule and 'how to find us' info. I had links to it from an AA history site I had up at the time. I didn't have links back to my site on that individual page, but the viewers could easily use the BACK button on their browser unless they went there directly from a saved bookmark. Several other groups already had sites up, with schedules and basic AA info by then. My experience at the time was that most of them were put up by individual members rather than by groups themselves. I brought my own up at a group conscience meeting [after it was already up], and the basic reaction was 'go ahead' with no real discussion. At that time, few at my local group had been exposed to computers and the internet.
information [some from GSO and some from other sources], along with personal experiences/opinions ... well then some were discussed at the group conscience and 'talked to'.
schedules being on the Free sites [Geocities for one] that pasted random ads on the pages.
after I quit ... well he was 'talked to' about having it branch off of, and link back to, his daughters Brittney Spears pages. Later he was again 'talked to' about anonymity, when he started posting announcements and snippets from our business and group conscience meetings along with the group's phone list.
AAs online and online AA, I have come across the claim that 'the West Baltimore group [was] the first home group with a page on the internet. We went up on June 26, 1994.' Any challengers out there? And if Al's claim is accurate, who was second? And when? And, perhaps, why?"
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/28/2006 10:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Tom E. = ny-aa@att.net (ny-aa at att.net) posted a message asking: "Does anyone have a list of when Alcoholics Anonymous groups were started on a city-by-city basis?" We have had people write in, telling us the date at which the first AA meeting was started in specific cities like Bisbie, Arizona, and Marion, Ohio. This doesn't help though, because this isn't a list showing how AA grew and spread in that part of the country.
would give the dates of the first AA group formed for hundreds and hundreds of cities, so he could compare the dates. To the best of my knowledge, there is at present no list of this sort for the entire U.S. and Canada which would take us down to 1945 and afterwards. And certainly no list of groups listed in chronological order which would take us down to 1960 or later.
assemble such a list would be to begin by gathering information on individual cities and communities on a state-by-state basis. For the early period, I have been assembling that kind of information for the state of Indiana: http://hindsfoot.org/nhome.html
information. It is clear however that there were three axes of growth in early Indiana AA.
Indianapolis in the center to Fort Wayne in the NE. Most of the rest of the AA groups in the state grew off of this axis. In particular, John D. "J. D." Holmes (the tenth person to get sober in AA) in Evansville and Doherty Sheerin in Indianapolis were in continual telephone contact, and had it organized so that J. D. would travel by car or train every weekend to help get AA groups started and distribute AA literature throughout much of the state. Another totally separate axis ran along the St. Joseph river valley, in north central Indiana and southwestern Michigan. This produced a number of AA leaders (like Brownie and Nick Kowalski) who are still remembered to this day. AA groups from surrounding states make pilgrimages to South Bend every year to honor the memory of Brownie and Nick in particular.
Bend. The early black AA leaders along that axis were in continual contact with one another, and helped black AA groups grow. This is still true to this day. A number of Indiana AA's finest leaders have come from cities along that axis. I believe that this is the kind of information and analysis that Tom E. is looking for. I am hoping that we will be able to fill in more detail during the years ahead, but it takes a number of people all over a state to produce a state history. One person cannot do it alone. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3809. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Science of Mind, New Thought, and AA
From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/26/2006 1:15:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi All: On this subject, I suggest that the old book VARIETIES OF RELIGEOUS EXPERIENCES by Wm. James might interest you. I am reading it for the first time based on the knowledge that this is the book given to Bill Wilson (by Ebby Thacher) when Bill was in Towns Hospital prior to his "flash" experience. Reportedly, Bill had a lot of interest in this book.
and deep and comprehensive interpretations. Although first written by James for lectures at Edinburgh University back in 1902-3 period, his thoughts are very profound and meaningful today. His review (connections) between major theological/psycholgical beliefs is very challenging and interesting.
have influenced Bill Wilson in prepaing the AA philosophy and "Big Book".
family which related to (practiced) the Swedenborg type of religion. That is identified in the Introduction to the VARIETIES... book. Lois Wilson's family was also raised in the same a relgious atmosphere. As history buffs, these old facts have interesting relationships.
Colorado Springs, CO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3810. . . . . . . . . . . . What are the Warranties? From: man_dred . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/26/2006 5:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII What are the six warranties? FROM THE MODERATOR: I believe that you are referring to one of the Twelve Concepts for World Service which are printed as part of the AA Service Manual. I'm counting seven of them instead of six. Someone please let me know if I've got this wrong!
Conference shall observe the spirit of the A.A. Tradition, taking great care that the Conference never becomes the seat of perilous wealth or power; [2] that sufficient operating funds, plus an ample reserve, be its prudent financial principle; [3] that none of the Conference Members shall ever be placed in a position of unqualified authority over any of the others;
discussion vote, and, whenever possible, by substantial unanimity;
punitive or an incitement to public controversy; [6] that though the Conference may act for the service of Alcoholics Anonymous, it shall never perform any acts of government;
Anonymous which it serves, the Conference itself will always remain democratic in thought and action.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3811. . . . . . . . . . . . Death of Charles B. From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/28/2006 6:56:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII My sponsor,Harry The Wino,called me this afternoon and told me about the death of a man he knew quite well in A.A.
Columbus, Georgia. He was 92 and was going to celebrate 49 years of continuous sobriety on January 4th.
If you read pg. 399 of "Pass It On" you will have known about the man who had Bill flown to Miami in 1970 in his private chartered plane. That man was Charles.
run by Charles' son, and was under the care of Dr. Ed B., an A. A. member and cardiac surgeon.
still has her husband's Big Red with Bill's signature and that she will treasure it always.
for staying sober or becoming a success in the business world, but rather for being a good husband and father and for carrying the message to others. Isn't that the best thing that can be said of any alcoholic! My prayers go out to his family and friends and I will post more information as soon as it is available.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3812. . . . . . . . . . . . Who were Jim and Eddie the atheists? From: dave redman . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/26/2006 5:44:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Could someone please tell me who Jimmy or maybe Eddie the atheist was. Thank you Dave - - - FROM THE MODERATOR: If you go to the AAHistoryLovers Message Board, you can do searches for questions like this one. You just put in the words "Eddie" and "atheist" (or whatever) and ask it to search for messages containing both of those words.
this way were: See Message #3167 For the addition of God "as we understood Him" in the Twelve Steps both Jim Burwell and Hank Parkhurst (his story "The Unbeliever" appeared in the 1st ed.) are credited with being the primary influence ("AA Comes of Age" pgs 166-167). Both claimed to be atheists at the time. See also Message #3687 One of the earliest members of the first New York AA group, Jimmy Burwell was also its first "self- proclaimed atheist."
Bill Dotson for the opportunity to be AA #3: the first was a Dr McKay, the second was Eddie Reilly.
and Bill W work with other alcoholics. A local Minister, J C Wright, provided them with a prospect. They tried in vain, throughout the summer, to sober up Edgar (Eddie) Reilly (described as an "alcoholic atheist" and "able to produce a major crisis of some sort about every other day"). Eddie missed the chance to be AA #3 but he showed up at Dr Bob's funeral in 1950. He was sober a year and attending the Youngstown, Ohio, group.
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/28/2006 7:58:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Glenn there are 6 warranties -- your warranty 6 and 7 are actually the 6th warranty. Shakey Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3814. . . . . . . . . . . . The Oxford Group and alcoholics From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/29/2006 1:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII An article by J.R. Rees published in the British Journal of Inebriety in 1933 observed concerning alcoholics that "persuasion is not an effective method of treatment, but sudden and marked emotional experience seems to work," continuing: "The Oxford Group Movement, which is much to the fore
at the present moment, is apparently achieving somewhat similar results." Questions: 1. Did Dr. Jung recommend the OG to Roland H., or did Roland find and choose it on his own (or on someone else's recommendation)? 2. What sources treat directly of the OG's work with alcoholics? Thanks to any who can shed light on these or related questions. ernie kurtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3815. . . . . . . . . . . . FW: What are the Warranties? From: Art Sheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/30/2006 12:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Corrected version (for typos) Hi Glenn You're getting ahead of the timeline sequence for the origin of the Warranties and their eventual incorporation into Concept 12. The Warranties preceded the Twelve Concepts for World Service by 7 years.
Conference Charter which was approved by the 1955 General Service Conference subject to further approval by the historic 2nd International Convention in St Louis, MO (the "AA Comes of Age" Convention). The Convention approved the Permanent Conference Charter by resolution on July 3, 1955. Article 12 of the Permanent Conference Charter is a special provision compared to the other 11 articles. It was specified to ensure that the Conference would always function in the spirit of the 12 Traditions.
and are not explicitly numbered. At times though they are referenced relative to their numerical order. For example "The AA Group" pamphlet
in answering the hypothetical question "What is an AA Group?" partially answers the question with the statement "Further clarification of an AA group may be found in Warranty Six, Twelfth Concept." The Conference can change Articles 1 thru 11 of the Permanent Conference Charter by advisory action. But any change to Article 12 (the 6 Warranties) requires special action based on both the resolution under which the Permanent Conference Charter was approved by the 2nd International Convention, as well as amendments to Article 3 of the Permanent Conference Charter over the years. Conference advisory actions of 1957, 1969 and 1976 amended Article 3 so that it currently reads: "3. Conference Relation to AA: The Conference will act for AA in the perpetuation and guidance of its world services, and it will also be the vehicle by which the AA movement can express its view upon all matters of vital AA policy and all hazardous deviations from AA Tradition. Delegates should be free to vote as their conscience dictates; they should also be free to decide what questions should be taken to the group level, whether for information, discussion, or their own direct instruction. But no change in Article 12 of the Charter or in the Twelve Traditions of AA or in the Twelve Steps of AA may be made with less than the written consent of three-quarters of the AA groups, as described in the Resolution adopted by the 1955 Conference and Convention.* Footnote * This applies to the original English version only." The Resolution adopted by the 2nd International Convention has a provision stating: "AND IT IS UNDERSTOOD: That neither the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous nor the warranties of Article XII of the Conference Charter shall ever be changed or amended by the General Service Conference except by first asking the consent of the registered AA groups of the world. [This would include all AA groups known to the general service offices around the world.] * These groups shall be suitably notified of any proposal for change and shall be allowed no less than six months for consideration thereof. And before any such Conference action can be taken, there must first be received in writing within the time allotted the consent of at least three-quarters of all those registered groups who respond to such proposal. Footnote * Resolution: It was resolved by the 1976 General Service Conference that those instruments requiring consent of three-quarters of the responding groups for change or amendment would include the Twelve Steps of AA, should any such change or amendment ever be proposed."
entirety in the Resolution. The Warranties were used to define Concept 12 in its long form. The long form of the Concepts, and explanatory essays, were approved by the 1962 Conference when Bill W's manuscript "The Twelve Concepts for World Service" was approved for publication. The short form of the Concepts was approved 9 years later by the 1971 Conference. Concept 12 in its short form does not contain the leading qualifier phrase "General Warranties of the Conference." Concept 12 in its long form and Article 12 of the Permanent Conference Charter read: "General Warranties of the Conference: in all its proceedings, the General Service Conference shall observe the spirit of the AA Tradition, taking great care that the Conference never becomes the seat of perilous wealth or power; that sufficient operating funds, plus an ample reserve, be its prudent financial principle; that none of the Conference Members shall ever be placed in a position of unqualified authority over any of the others; that all important decisions be reached by discussion, vote, and, whenever possible, by substantial unanimity; that no Conference action ever be personally punitive or an incitement to public controversy; that, though the Conference may act for the service of Alcoholics Anonymous, it shall never perform any acts of government; and that, like the Society of Alcoholics Anonymous which it serves, the Conference itself will always remain democratic in thought and action."
member" wherever it refers to the General Service Conference in the Warranties/Concept 12, it provides a magnificent guideline for each group and each member to Yüklə 13,83 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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