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City, Country: Netherlands Sent: 12.08 PM - 10/2 2001 After reading some comments here on what's happened in the US I recommend all of you to read this article on Afghanistan: http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2001/June/Afghan/index.html Truly a horror story. Name: Nicki City, Country: Liverpool Sent: 11.04 AM - 10/2 2001 I agree jim, it's getting boring reading about the media, seems this project has gone right off track especially with Ramon returning home, get back to staying in peoples houses before we all switch off... Name: Journo Jim City, Country: Dublin, Ireland Sent: 9.49 AM - 10/2 2001 I'm a little concerned that this is becoming more about corporate advertisers inviting Ramon to pitch their holidays as his readers than it is about individuals asking him to stay. I don't blame Ramon - I'd accept all offers too, but it is becoming more corporate. As soon as he leaves the holiday homes and visits with real South Africans, I'll be much more intrigued. Ramon, have you any invitations from Soweto? Will you go? As my message is about advertising, forgive me for doing some advertising of my own - www.survivingsuicide.net is a website dedicated to all those who have lost a loved one to suicide. It will officially launch in one month's time, the 1st of november, All Soul's Day. If you know anyone who has lost their father, mother, sister, brother, friend, lover, son or daughter to suicide, tell them about www.survivingsuicide.net. Thanks. Name: dbk Tom City, Country: New Zealand Sent: 7.09 AM - 10/2 2001 was just reading your report from S.A Great Ramon Name: Brian City, Country: Durban, South Africa Sent: 6.11 AM - 10/2 2001 Hi Ramon
Finally, you made it to our beautiful country! Long way, hey! Well, I know the road you're staying in, there in Jo'burg, it's a good area. Just watch out for the muggers. I'll send you an email, please check it well before coming to Durbs! Our timetables must agree. South Africa, as ou may have figured, is in spring now, and while Cape Town dries up, the rest of the country gets wetter with summer rain. And everything turns green! Ramon, please read your email today. I'm looking forward to seeing you. Regards
Brian Name: Marcella City, Country: Rotterdam, Netherlands Sent: 12.05 AM - 10/2 2001 Okay Ramon. Way to go! You made it all the way to South Africa, who would have guessed that when you started off. And enjoy the hotels and resorts you will visit, it will be a unique way to understand the economic differences when you will be visiting ordinary South African people. Good luck! Name: Orcun City, Country: Izmir, Turkey Sent: 10.00 PM - 10/1 2001 dude, what you do is soooo cool. i just invited you. i hope you'll come stay at my house too. it will be great to be a part of this project. i always wanted to do something like that. you're so lucky. well, i'm only 18, maybe i'll have that chance one day too. am i too optimistic? anmyways ramon, have fun in south africa. see you in turkey soon... Name: Munk City, Country: Zwolle Sent: 12.09 PM - 10/1 2001 Acadia: ,,How simplistic. America pumps millions of dollars every year into aid for countries across the globe, this is medical and food, yet somehow the terrorists actions were deserved?'' Yes, I know the US government is one of the many nations taking part in relief work in the area. They do donate millions in aid for the region. However, they also spent several times more that amount in training and arming the Mujaheddin soldiers in Afghanistan to help them kick out the Russians in the 1980s (the ever present 'communist danger' of those days). When the Russians finally left the country, the ensuing chaos was followed by a civil war between the Mujaheddin and other parties, resulting in the current situation which millions of people have been fleeing for some years now. Three million people are starving in Pakistan near the border of Afghanistan, despite relief efforts. In the meantime, with American interests secure (Russians gone), the US government dropped its support to Afghanistan like a brick in thick mud. And yes, I am happy to see that the USA helps in relief efforts. But as long as they continue to combine those efforts with the severe mistakes made in its overall foreign policy concerning the same region as the aid goes to, a constructive solution is farther away than ever. If I remember correctly, there was a contribution in the guestbook by somebody who proposed a sort of Marshall aid plan, to 'bomb' the Afghans with food, information and to commit all resources to actually improve their situation (AND get rid of terrorism). History shows us this kind of solution works (Germany after WWII, compared to WWI outcome). Does it imply this American student, who was my support, was simplistic? I don't think so. I think he was openminded. As far as human life is concerned, indeed, let us not be callous. I think I know the value of human, and indeed every, life quite well and perhaps a little better than some people. Name: Bret City, Country: CA,USA Sent: 9.49 PM - 9/29 2001 Ramon,
Good to see you got a chance to get back home before you set off on your S.African adventure. I have a request if it's not too late. Could you take a pic of your support crew? I'd like to see all who are involved in your project. Thanks. Bret
City, Country: Zwolle, The Netherlands Sent: 8.45 PM - 9/29 2001 Hey Ramon! Great to be back in town for a few days. Congratulations for your 150 DAYS!!! Never thought you'd hold out that long and even longer. Have fun in South Africa my mate! Name: LSOM City, Country: Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia. Sent: 5.28 AM - 9/29 2001 Zoran,
"What you see in your mind is what you can achieve in Life". Everything would be easy if you know what your heart desires. Leonard
City, Country: Trstenik, Yugoslavia Sent: 3.00 PM - 9/28 2001 Hey Ramon whassup! I really like this what u r doing man!I would offer a place for you back home but I am going to college in USA now in Florida (Palm Beach), so I am not in Yugoslavia right now... But hey - I think you are gonna have great time when you visit Yugoslavia. Check out night clubs and night life in Belgrade, really good! Don't get drunk :-) Hey when are you coming to Florida ? Maybe I can see you around this area :)) This is a great but not an easy project good luck Zoran
City, Country: Belfast N Ireland Sent: 11.43 AM - 9/28 2001 Ramon So Sorry for letting you down @ our house but it was literally like six hours before we were due to go .on holiday to France that you called. I'm glad to see that you did get good hospitality in Belfast. If I hadn't had a head full of lists and worries I could have asked my parents or brothers and sisters and friends to put you up. We do have family in South Africa though so I'll email them to see if they could put you up for the night. Again Sorry and Happy travelling H Name: Richard Rose City, Country: Denver, Colorado USA Sent: 3.27 AM - 9/27 2001 Hej, Ramon Hoe gaat je? I'm glad to see that you are continuing your trip, despite the recent disaster and present uncertainty. I just sent you an invitation to stay for a day (or longer, if you wish). I first heard about you on USA national public radio a few weeks ago. About me: I am American but lived the better years of my life in Europe (Scotland, England, France, Denmark)- well, qualitatively, at least- it was 14 years. I've been back in USA for 8 years. It would be nice to welcome you here. I notice that you have many pictures posted of you eating! There is good food here, too. :-) Maybe hear from you later. All the best, Richard
Nice meeting you! I hope that you will get more invitations to cities in Sweden in the Future! And I also would like to wish you luck in your future traveling. /Simon Thorsander (friend of yours (and John Järpling)) Name: hakanuysal City, Country: mugla,dalaman,turkey Sent: 3.46 PM - 9/26 2001 hello, i heard about ur site on tv and decided to write . but i dont kýnow how to send a mail. i coulnd see any e mail box . i hope u can come and visit me i can escort you for the sightseeing and stay with me in my home. see you bye . i ll try to find out how to send an e mail and i ll have sent it soon. enjoy ur travelling and take care of you . bye Name: Acadia City, Country: USA Sent: 10.18 AM - 9/26 2001 Munk - "the looming war was as much the fault of America's rotten foreign policy as it was the terrorists'. Now, think about that." What? So that American student thinks those thousands of people, many from other countries, died because of lousy foreign policy? How simplistic. America pumps millions of dollars every year into aid for countries across the globe, this is medical and food, yet somehow the terrorists actions were deserved? Understand, I know the United States government makes some very bad decisions. The terrorists did not attack government centers, or just a military installation, those people on the planes and in the World Trade Center were innocent. Let us not be so callous about human life, and the horrific actions of others. Name: John Järpling City, Country: Lund, Sweden Sent: 9.52 AM - 9/26 2001 Nice meeting you ramon, have a nice life! And this is to Ramon ho said that the zipper was invented by a Swiss... And I claimed it to be a swedish invention: Some links on the matter: http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/industry/inventions/#zipper http://www.nasbydal.taby.se/projekt/Inventors/Zipper/Zipper_En.htm http://www.si.se/docs/infosweden/engelska/fs91.pdf http://www.isa.se/reasons/global.htm I think I have won this discussion :) Name: Sylvia City, Country: Scotland Sent: 10.11 PM - 9/25 2001 Hi Ramon
Good Luck Ramon Sylvia & Family Name: sivan yossef City, Country: ramat-gan ,israel Sent: 7.35 PM - 9/25 2001 well ,as a person who travelld too in holland and other countries i'll be very happy if you come to stay at my place ,in israel ,you must come ,it will be great to know you. so i am waiting.... Name: BURAK SAKIR age:25 City, Country: IZMIR/TURKEY Sent: 5.55 PM - 9/25 2001 Hi Ramon!Your travel is a great thing and I wish you good luck!I have travelled about 30.000 kilometres by my thumb as well and I do understand you well but I didn't have your media help!Howcome I couldn't think of it?Anyway please take care!Later on I will write you my address.HOPE TO SEE YOU:) Name: Karen City, Country: London, UK Sent: 3.45 PM - 9/25 2001 Munk, great message you wrote earlier on! And isn't that what life is all about? Name: Kevin City, Country: California, USA Sent: 1.14 PM - 9/25 2001 Ramon,
Carry On! Name: Munk City, Country: Zwolle, Ramon's home town Sent: 9.43 AM - 9/25 2001 Hi everybody. Interesting as it is to follow the discussions here on the messageboard, I have contribution as well. As pictures of the WTC attack came through we were watching them in a bar. In the evening some American exchange students came in, we had some islamic people over as well, and everybody started to talk. Former refugees from the Middle East related their experience with the region, their thoughts and their worries. The Americans expressed their anger at what happened. After a long evening everybody knew what each other's vision and background was. And, more important, everybody could understand AND live with the ideas and poersonalities that were there, different as their visions were. What did I learn from this? It's all about communication. Pay attention to the rest of the world and talk about it. If you do not talk, you get into a fight. If you don't act in time, the fight turns into war. And wars have the unnerving tendency to escalate. Most funny remark of this interesting evening? An American relating the difficulty he would have explaining his parents in the States that he was starting to see that the looming war was as much the fault of America's rotten foreign policy as it was the terrorists'. Now, think about that.
A military response, particularly an attack on Afghanistan, is exactly what the terrorists want. It will strengthen and swell their small but fanatical ranks. Instead, bomb Afghanistan with butter, with rice, bread, clothing and medicine. It will cost less than conventional arms, poses no threat of US casualties and just might get the populace thinking that maybe the Taliban doesn't have the answers. After three years of draught and with starvation looming, let's offer the Afghani people the vision of a new future. One that includes full stomachs. Bomb them with information. Video players and cassettes of world leaders, particularly Islamic leaders, condemning terrorism. Carpet the country with magazines and newspapers showing the horror of terrorism committed by their "guest". Blitz them with laptop computers and DVD players filled with a perspective that is denied them by their government. Saturation bombing will mean that some of it gets through. Send so much that the Taliban can't collect and hide it all. The Taliban are telling their people to prepare for Jihad. Instead, let's give the Afghani people their first good meal in years. Seeing your family fully fed and the prospect of stability in terms of food and a future is a powerful deterrent to martyrdom. All we ask in return is that they, as a people, agree to enter the civilized world. That includes handing over terrorists in their midst. In responding to terrorism we need to do something different ... something unexpected ... something that addresses the root of the problem. We need to take away the well of despair, ignorance and brutality from which the Osama bin Laden's of the world water their gardens of terror. Name: CORALIE City, Country: ENGLAND Sent: 3.53 PM - 9/24 2001 Cowboy
EASY! YOU MAKE A FRIEND OF THEM ! We are all different in life ....the tragedy in America obviously brought this home not just to the USA , but to the planet , near enough! Clearly terrorists who are mad enough to kill themselves as well as others are not amenable to reason. If a response is directed at them alone it will have no effect. If we do not react they will see it as weakness and strike again, but if we retaliate they will seek revenge. The best course of action is to strike at those who give them shelter and supply them with arms, money and training.
I'm not religous but I cant imagine Allah would want such an obnoxious little ferret sitting next to him, quite the reverse, I would imagine any god would give bin Laden a swift kick into oblivion, please! Ramon ...keep safe and well ......
Ramon, I know exactly what you mean about the smell papermills impart on a town. Before there were stricter sanctions about air quality I lived a town away from a very foul smelling mill, living in the state of Maine it is hard to get too far from a paprmill. If I awoke with a sore throat, watery eyes and ringing ears I knew the wind shifttd and brought the smell (and all that goes with it) to my door. When I became an adult and moved I was near a different mill, bigger and smellier. Thankfully I was too far away to smell it from my home, but I did not go there unless absolute necessity called. Now sanctions in place, smell gone, nicer town to visit. People that live in these towns got used to it as just part of life, and most of them worked at the mills too. Name: LSOM City, Country: Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia. Sent: 7.03 AM - 9/24 2001 Nina,
Ramon,
Just a few minutes ago there was a report on CNN that "textbooks on cropdusting" had *possibly* been found among the WTC terrorists belongings - which *could* mean they were planning some chemical attack on US citizens! I turned to my roommate and said "Has CNN turned into the official propaganda machine for this country? This is scaring me!" and he silently handed me his computer, which was open to this message board. If people like Cowboy can't see through such slanted reporting I feel it is my duty to point it out to my fellow countrymen so we don't look like such idiots to the rest of you. My apologies for him. Name: Nina City, Country: Panama Sent: 5.10 PM - 9/22 2001 The communicator must recognize that it is possible to be influenced by his or her own feelings, attitudes toward a topic, and past experiences. The communicator must therefore choose language that is clear and effective in transmitting the real meaning of the message to the receiver (listener or reader) The communicator must recognize that words are symbols that carry many different shades. The ability of the receiver (reader or listener) to understand the words chosen is essential. Both communicator and receiver are affected by personal attitudes and experiences, and therefore have a tendency to misunderstand the ideas received. The receiver may not be conscious of the reason why he or she distorts its meaning. (Cowboy for example and some others) I hope this explains why people react in different ways after reading Ramon’s writings. He is the communicator and should understand that the receiver may misunderstand him due to personal attitudes or experiences. Who can we say is right or wrong? People think in different ways. I get angry with some of the messages posted, but I have learned to be tolerant because people are different. I decided that since I don’t know them personally, I’m unable to make any remarks about them like I used to. Name: Nina City, Country: Panama Sent: 5.09 PM - 9/22 2001 About News? A foreign government may sometimes carefully censor news from some foreign countries before it is released. A newspaper may print it, but it is well to remember that such stories may include distortions of fact or half-truth—statements that are true but misleading because they omit important facts. Name: Ramon Stoppelenburg City, Country: Lillehammer, Norway Sent: 12.11 AM - 9/22 2001 My response to the messages below here: For what I know, it is not true that Western television is showing celebrating Palestines or Iraqis in footage of 9 years ago. This story is over-posted on usenet newsgroups and a Bralizian newspaper even posted it online. But the person (who seems to be always the same one) telling you all that story, is not sending any proof of the truth. If it is true, he should also be showing the original footage from 1992, but then it gets silent. Another reason not even to believe any rumours until clear proof is given. Until now it's just pure gossip. Name: Bret City, Country: CA,USA Sent: 11.15 PM - 9/21 2001 Trev,
I'd like to know how true that 9 year old footage used is. It wouldn't suprise me though. Any links to further info would be appreciated. As for why we're in Kuwait still. You hit the nail on the head. Oil, and our thirst for it. It gets pretty complex if you think about it too long. Keep me informed all, that's what I like about this site. Real people, honest points of view. Name: Trev City, Country: Great Britain.. Sent: 7.09 PM - 9/21 2001 Hi..I think Cowboy has been caught with his zipper down and no-one has told him. Anyway.. I was told today about how the news is warped in telling the truth. Which I think could be true. The people out in the Gulf were celebrating the fall of the twin towers as shown on TV in the UK. They had shown pictures of celebrations going on, when the fact is, these pictures were taken 9 years ago During the Gulf War. So why show pictures that were taken 9 Years ago. Was this to wind up the British People. Just so to get on the Americans Side maybe. What I dont understand is why are the Americans, still in the gulf anyway. The War is over, or dont they understand this. Or is it just to keep a foot in the door so they can keep in control of the country and the oil that it contains. After all thats what Americans depend on more than anyone. Name: MJ City, Country: Denver Sent: 4.01 PM - 9/21 2001 I think, good points as well. :) Name: Karen City, Country: London, UK Sent: 3.21 PM - 9/21 2001 Bret, you made a very clear statement and I can only agree with you. Isn't life just like being in a big relationship with the world around you where you can only hope that people will give you advice on how to look at certain things?! That is one of the best things about the relationship I have at the moment, that I can learn from that other person, that he can make me take a second look at ideas and opinions I have as there is always more than just your own opinion. Name: Bret City, Country: CA,USA Sent: 10.54 AM - 9/21 2001 I was about to say sorry for Cowboy, but then I realized that I shouldn't be sorry for him. He spewed out his "personal feelings". Now I know what type of person he really is. Neanderthal comes to mind, but then that might be too generous. As for Cowboy never coming back to this site. I bet he can't stay away. He knows he's gonna get some backlash from his statement, as he should. This is unfortunately the way quite a few Americans think. "Yup pardner i got that there first hand sperience on Merican tinkin." I guess it's the "Pride" that get's in the way of reality and cognizance. I can only ask you all for patience when it comes to people like cowboy. Which brings me to Ramons remarks. Bravo my man. How are we suppose to know how we look unless someone tells us? Are any of us not thankful for someone coming over to us and telling us politely that our zipper is down. Have you ever left home for awhile; come back, then hear people talk about whats going on in town. Aren't you amazed that you never saw it that way when you lived there!? Thank you Ramon for telling it like it is. Do not stop your opinions. I agree with Karen, this web site is a learning experience, welcomed by opened minded people.(ok, so a few nutballs slip in every now and then) Let's keep it real. Yüklə 1,59 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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