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REPORTS OF COMMITTEE ON WELFARE OF SCHEDULED CASTES AND SCHEDULED TRIBESSHRIMATI WANSUK SYIEM (MEGHALAYA): Sir, I lay on the Table, a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following Reports of the Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes:—
(Ends) REPORT OF COMMITTEE ON EMPOWERMENT OF WOMENDR. PRABHA THAKUR (RAJASTHAN): Sir, I lay on the Table, a copy (in English and Hindi) of the Twentieth Report of the Committee on Empowerment of Women (2012-13) on the subject ‘Assessment of Educational Status of Women with Special Reference to the Girl Child’. (Ends)
SHRI V. MAITREYAN: Sir, before you move the Motion, I have an objection. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will allow you. MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE JOINT COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE MATTERS RELATED TO ALLOCATION AND PRICING OF TELECOM LICENCES AND SPECTRUM THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA): Sir, I move the following Motion:— “That this House concurs in the recommendation of Lok Sabha that Rajya Sabha do appoint...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What is your objection? DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, following the biennial elections to the State of Tamil Nadu, there have been some vacancies which have been created not only in the JPC but also in the PAC, and also in the SC/ST Committee. The Chair had earlier moved a Motion regarding election for these things and it has been bulletined also. But, now, suddenly we are nominating Members for JPC. I want to know whether the Government is going to follow the same policy of nominating Members for other Committees also or there are going to be elections. If there are going to be elections for other Committees, then, I want that this also should have an election. I will be contesting on that. For the same vacancies, are you going to renominate in the other Committee also? I want to know. SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Sir, the procedure is, Motion is brought in the House and if the House approves, then the Motion is through. DR. V. MAITREYAN: For PAC they have announced elections. For SC/ST Committee they have announced elections. That is why I want to know. SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Normally, the procedure is, if a vacancy arises, then a person of the same party is nominated in the Committee. It is a general understanding. (Followed by NBR/1M) -SSS/NBR-PSV/1M/12.05. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mr. Maitreyan, please, now, I will give my ruling. Earlier, the motion was moved to the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Spectrum and approved here in the same way. Now, in that very same Committee -- not in other elected Committee -- there are two vacancies. So, the same procedure is being followed and the motion is brought here and the House can...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, both the vacancies in the JPC are from Tamil Nadu. I would like to contest to that. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. The Chair does not go by that. Whether it is Tamil Nadu or any other State, it is equal to the Chair. But the point is...(Interruptions)...Let me complete. DR. V. MAITREYAN: If there is election, election has to be there for all bodies. You cannot have election to one body and nomination for other bodies...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let me complete. Now the point is different. The point is: Earlier, the JPC on 2G was approved by this House in the same procedure. And now two vacancies have been created in that Committee. Therefore, we are adopting the same procedure. So, Mr. Minister, move the motion. DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, may I ask one question? I have a Point of Order. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You are a very senior Member. You know everything. And, still you want to ask something! DR. NAJMA A. HEPTUALLA: Sir, maybe, sometimes, I don't know anything. And, on this, maybe, I don't know. So, I want a clarification. There are two vacancies. When the JPC was constituted and Members selected, they were selected on the basis of the strength of the political parties in the House. Now, two Members have been retired. One of them has become Minister and I don't know what has happened to the other Members. I want to ask: Is it the same composition of the ruling party and the opposition parties and whether it is being shared properly or not? I want a clarification on this simple question. The composition of the Committee should not change by appointing Members. SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA: Sir, the composition has not changed. There is one Member who has become Minister from my party and, in his place, a Member from my party is being nominated. The other slot has been given to Nominated Members, because they are ten and there is nobody in such a Committee. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is justifiable...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: Sir, earlier also there was nobody. If at all anybody in the whole House raising this, it is me...(Interruptions)...I have been raising this issue in this House during the last four years. If at all you want to nominate somebody, I am the most eligible person, probably. SHRI P. RAJEEVE (KERALA): Sir, clarification is against the consent given to earlier motion and adopted by this House. Now, the Minister raised a new point. Motion adopted earlier by this House had nominated some Members. At that time, there was no representation of the Nominated Members. The representation is from a particular party. Now, this is a new point which is against the intention of the earlier motion adopted by this House. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Are you saying that Nominated Members should not be represented? SHRI P. RAJEEVE: No, no; not that. If the Government has the interest, why did it not give representation to them earlier? ...(Interruptions)... SHRI BALBIR PUNJ: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I have a point to make...(Interruptions)... DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, you made your observation from the Chair that the same procedure is being adopted. Unfortunately, Sir, the same procedure is not being adopted. I am sorry to say. But, according to your ruling or observation, same procedure has been adopted and the Minister also says the same thing. I ask: Has the same procedure is adopted? No. It is a new procedure. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: As far as the Chair is concerned, the same procedure is adopted. I am not bothered about the conversation. DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, I am the one who would like eminent Nominated Members to be in every Committee. But, Sir, as far as the procedure is concerned, the hon. Minister should have brought the motion back again to the House, taken the consent of various leaders of political parties and then taken a decision. Arbitrarily, nobody can do that, not even the Chair...(Interruptions)... SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, the JPC is neither meeting nor will it give its Report. Why are you go on discussing this? ...(Interruptions)...That is not the intention of the Government to do it also...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Sir, I am a Member of the JPC. Let me raise certain issues which are very germane. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What is that you want to raise here? SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: I would ask the Government to withdraw the Motion. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. Don't refer the JPC here. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: No, no. It is important. I am referring to the JPC on the 2G. A draft Report is there and there is a serious dispute. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. You cannot refer to it. Don't refer it here...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: We have the highest regard for the Nominated Members. But, if, now, the complex of the Committee is changed, it is consideration extraneous...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You refer it in the Committee. You cannot refer it here. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: It the complexion is sought to be changed, it is consideration extraneous. Therefore, Najmaji is right. The entire composition will be changed...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: No, no. If the composition is changed, the composition of the voting pattern also changes...(Interruptions)... (FOLLOWED BY KS "1N") -NBR/KS-VNK/1N/12.10 DR. V. MAITREYAN (CONTD.): This election would change the composition. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You must say that in the Committee, not here. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Let the Government withdraw it and have the widest consultations possible. We have the highest regard for the Committee Members, but in 2G, the Government suddenly coming with new parameters raises a lot of questions. ...(Interruptions)... You should remain alive to the background of it. Therefore, we are absolutely sure… ...(Interruptions)... Please, withdraw it. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. The point is...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: It must be absolutely withdrawn. ...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: If necessary, let us have division on that, Sir. ...(Interruptions)... Let the House take a division on the Motion. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, please. ...(Interruptions)... Dr. Maitreyan, the point is, the Chair is not expected to look into the composition of the Committee. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI BALBIR PUNJ: Sir… MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please. I have started saying something. ...(Interruptions)... You may speak after I complete. Your Deputy Leader has already spoken. The Chair is not expected to look into the composition of the Committee. ...(Interruptions)... Let me have a say. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: We are raising it because there is a background to it. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I am only talking about the procedure adopted in the House. The procedure adopted for this Committee ...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: The problem with the Government is that it always shoots from the shoulders of the Chair. That is the problem, Sir. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let me complete. DR. V. MAITREYAN: Keeping the Chair in the dark, the Government shoots from Chair's shoulders, Sir. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. That is not the thing. Let me say this. I talked about the procedure being adopted in this House. Earlier, for 2G spectrum Joint Parliamentary Committee, the procedure adopted was that the Government presented the names and we approved it. I said that that procedure could be adopted now. And that is the procedure the Government has adopted. SHRI BALBIR PUNJ: Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, I have a question. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. That is over. SHRI BALBIR PUNJ: No, Sir. You told me that you would call me. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Minister, please move the Motion. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA): Sir, I move:- "That this House concurs in the recommendation of Lok Sabha that Rajya Sabha do appoint two Members to the Joint Committee to Examine Matters Relating to Allocation and Pricing of Telecom Licences and Spectrum in the vacancies caused by the retirement of Shri Tiruchi Siva from the Rajya Sabha and resignation of Dr. E. M. Sudarsana Natchiappan from the JPC and communicate to Lok Sabha the names of the Members so appointed by the Rajya Sabha to the Joint Committee and resolves that Shri P. Bhattacharya and Dr. Ashok S. Ganguly be appointed to the said Joint Committee to fill the vacancies."
Though the JPC is not doing anything at the moment, originally amongst the two retiring Members was a Member from the ruling party. If I take Congress as the ruling party, obviously they can have the replacement; they have adequate numbers. There was another Member from the DMK who has retired. For some reasons, they do not want a DMK Member. So far as the number of Members coming from Tamil Nadu is concerned, there is some alteration in their strength; the AIADMK figure has also gone up. So, they have devised a new formula – one Member from the ruling party and one hon. Nominated Member. It is not the same composition which existed earlier, for some reason. So, the hon. Minister may consult various sections of the House before coming out with some consensus by which the two Members can be elected. Otherwise, there would have to be a secret ballot.
Now, Statements by Ministers. (Ends)
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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI RAJEEV SHUKLA): Sir, I make the following statements regarding:— (i) Status of implementation of recommendations contained in the Forty-sixth Report of the Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Finance on Demands for Grants (2011-12) of the Ministry of Planning. (ii) Status of implementation of recommendations contained in the Sixty-second Report of the Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Finance on Demands for Grants (2012-13) of the Ministry of Planning. (Ends) (FOLLOWED BY TDB/1O) TDB-DS/12:15/1O MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, we take up the Zero Hour Submissions. Shri Husain Dalwai to speak on ‘Brutal killing of Dr. Narendra Dabholkar, a noted social activist, in Maharashtra’. ...(Interruptions)... Now, others keep quiet. ...(Interruptions)... Please take your seat. ...(Interruptions)... We are taking up the Zero Hour. I have called Shri Husain Dalwai’s name. ...(Interruptions)... श्री रामविलास पासवान: सर, कल इस पर चर्चा हुई थी और कहा गया था कि कल इस पर एक कंडोलेंस मीटिंग की जाए।..(व्यवधान).. सर, हमारा यह आग्रह है कि दाभोलकर जी एक महान समाज सुधारक थे। वे अंधविश्वास के खिलाफ लड़ते रहे और उनकी हत्या की गयी, इसलिए दो मिनट के लिए एक कंडोलेंस मीटिंग, एक शोक प्रस्ताव किया जाए, यह हम सब लोगों की और हाउस की राय है। ..(व्यवधान).. श्री रवि शंकर प्रसाद: सर, रामविलास जी ने जो बात कही है और जो बात त्रिपाठी जी ने भी कही है, उसका हम समर्थन करते हैं। हम उनकी हत्या की भर्त्सना करते हैं। अगर औपचारिक रूप से कल चेयर से बाकायदा उनके बारे में प्रस्ताव आए, तो हम उसका समर्थन करेंगे। ..(व्यवधान).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We can do it tomorrow. ...(Interruptions)... The suggestion of Ram Vilasji is taken note of. ...(Interruptions)... Now, all of you kindly listen to what Shri Husain Dalwai is saying. That brutal killing is very unfortunate. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. Mohd. Ali Khan, take your seat. ...(Interruptions)... MATTERS RAISED WITH PERMISSION OF CHAIR BRUTAL KILLING OF DR. NARENDRA DABHOLKAR, A NOTED SOCIAL ACTIVIST, IN MAHARASHTRA श्री हुसैन दलवई (महाराष्ट्र): सर, यह जो घटना है, यह एक बहुत ही गम्भीर घटना है। ..(व्यवधान).. सर, डा. नरेन्द्र दाभोलकर 18 साल से अंधश्रद्धा के खिलाफ लड़ते रहे। उन्होंने एक बिल भी तैयार किया था। वह बिल 12-13 साल तक पेंडिंग रहा। उसे एक दफा विधान सभा ने पास किया, फिर विधान परिषद ने भी पास किया, लेकिन अंतत: उसका लॉ नहीं बन सका। उसमें 24 माँगें थीं, जिनमें से 11 माँगों के ऊपर उन्होंने कॉम्प्रोमाइज़ भी किया। वह बिल पास होना चाहिए था, लेकिन वह पास नहीं हुआ। यह आने वाले अधिवेशन में पास होने वाला था, ऐसा हमारे चीफ मिनिस्टर ने कहा है। लेकिन, इस बीच उनका ख़ून कर दिया गया। वे सुबह घूमने के लिए गए थे, तब उनका ख़ून किया गया। उनको थ्रेटेनिंग तो हमेशा आती थी और वह थ्रेटेनिंग कुछ संगठनों के ज़रिए आती थी। ये जो संगठन हैं, इनके नाम मैं लूँ या नहीं, मुझे नहीं मालूम, लेकिन उनके प्रमुख ने कल अपने पेपर में लिखा है कि यह मृत्यु कोई गलत बात नहीं है, बूढ़ेपन से या बीमारी से मर जाने के बजाय इस तरह मरना बहुत अच्छा है। ..(व्यवधान).. सर, मेरा यह कहना है कि इसमें केवल मारने वाले लोगों को पकड़ने और उनको सज़ा देने से कुछ नहीं होने वाला है, बल्कि यह जो प्रवृत्ति है, ये हिंसा करने वाले जो संगठन हैं, जैसे मुसलमानों में कुछ संगठन हैं, वैसे ही इन लोगों में भी कुछ संगठन हैं, जिनका नाम सनातन धर्म संगठन है, भारत के नाम से संगठन है और जो हिंसा की बात करते हैं, ऐसे संगठनों के ऊपर भी पाबंदी लगानी चाहिए। अगर नक्सलवादी कुछ करते हैं, तो आप उनके ऊपर अटैक करते हैं। इसलिए ऐसे संगठनों पर भी पाबंदी लगाना जरूरी है। महाराष्ट्र सरकार ने केन्द्र सरकार के पास एक प्रस्ताव भी भेजा है कि दो-चार ऐसे संगठन हैं, जो महाराष्ट्र में हर दिन गड़बड़ी करते हैं। सर, मैं कहना चाहता हूँ कि महाराष्ट्र में आज वातावरण बहुत ही खराब हो गया है। कुछ ऐसे हिंसावादी संगठन हैं, जिनके बारे में हम यहाँ क्या-क्या बोलें? हमारे ऊपर भी उन लोगों ने केस डाला था और मुझे वह केस 12 साल तक लड़ना पड़ा। इस प्रकार के जो संगठन चल रहे हैं, उन पर पाबंदी लगाने के बारे में महाराष्ट्र सरकार ने सरकार को जो प्रस्ताव दिया है, उस प्रस्ताव को केन्द्र सरकार को लेना चाहिए, ..(व्यवधान).. यही मेरी माँग है। ..(व्यवधान).. (समाप्त) श्री रामविलास पासवान (बिहार): महोदय, मैं इस विषय के साथ स्वयं को संबद्ध करता हूँ। श्री के.सी. त्यागी (बिहार): महोदय, मैं इस विषय के साथ स्वयं को संबद्ध करता हूँ। SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (GOA): Sir, I associate myself with this issue. SHRI D.P. TRIPATHI (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I also associate myself with this subject. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I will call the names of those Members who have given their names to associate themselves with it. Dr. Bhalchandra Mungekar. ...(Interruptions)... Just say that you associate yourself with it. That is all. ...(Interruptions)... DR. BHALCHANDRA MUNGEKAR (NOMINATED): Sir, I condemn the brutal assassination of Dr. Narendra Dabholkar. ...(Interruptions)... (Followed by 1P/KLS-MCM) KLS/MCM/1P-12.20 श्रीमती रजनी पाटिल : सर, मैं यह भी कहना चाहती हूं......(व्यवधान) सर, इस पूरे मामले में महिलाओं को ज्यादा भुगतना पड़ता है।......(व्यवधान) श्री दाभोलकर एक परिवर्तनवादी थे।......(व्यवधान) हम दाभोलकर की हत्या को कंडम करते हैं।.......(व्यवधान) Yüklə 2,43 Mb. 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