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1069 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 7:53am Subject: Planting Seeds Planting Seeds Hi to all, One of many favorite verses..."And we know that IN ALL THINGS God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28. Yes, to have God in my life has been healing. I also remind myself God will not give me anything I cannot handle. Anything can become a co-dependant group if YOU are acting in a co-dependant way. The Christian co-dependant 12-step group I was in for 3 years, all the self-help books and the RST. Were all steps towards my healing...None a waste of my time. It is the resistance to want to change the way "WE" are that holds us back. I do not look only to the Bible for great wisdom also through other spiritual teachers. Terry Cole-Whittaker, Mary Mannin Morrissey, Ellie, Emerson, Buddhist proverbs and My own internal wisdom, and even Oprha. I believe people come into our lives to teach us something. "When the student is ready the teacher will appear" Chinese proverb. I guess what really dumb founds me is why the world of Medicine or Psych land will not accept Ellie's findings as true. Well, go figure... ECT has made a dramatic come back and there is no proof of it doing anyone any good only more damage. Yet, still being done! I can only plant seeds to those in so much pain. I cannot "make" them do anything. It is "our" own journey we each must travel and we can help each other. When someone asks me why I am so happy...I tell them because I choose to be. Now, this is not to say I do not get angry and redirect. No, I am not avoiding anything any more. I can now separate the issues. I do not have to respond in the same way I did before. I can let it out and let it go. If it does come up... and I cannot let it go...It is time for the old tennis racket the mattress, and some real physical movement. I have learned to listen to myself, my needs and give to myself in more ways then I have ever before given. I am off anti-depressants... after 10 years. I do not examine my past any more. I am not complaining about what I have not accomplished. Only look at where I am heading. I am seeing myself in a whole new light. The selfish fog of depression has lifted. This is not the end of the journey for me...just a new beginning. There is so much more to see, learn, discover and I am able to serve and love others with altruism and authenticity. Ahhh to love others as I love myself is God's plan... Sasha Ellie http://clearpathway.net/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26 http://www.egroups.com/group/depression-cause-cure
http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26 http://clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1074 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 7:37am Subject: Abusive partners After an episode of depression, I realized the importance of releasing anger in current situations. I was dealing with the father of my child. He wanted to see his son. I did bring my son to see him and told him that this would be his only first and last chance, if he messed up, he would have to go to court for visitation arrangements. I want avoid my son's father of being in and out of his life. Let me clarify that I was in a relationship with this man for almost 2 years and that he became verbally/mentally abusive and towards the end sincerely threatened to beat me up. That's when I decided to leave him, and I did, so... Everytime I went there I would feel depressed afterwards, although the visits were fine. We talked, and he would tell me how changed he was. I even got to meet his new girlfriend. But I always had my guard up and I was observing the whole situation. Deep in my heart I knew that this was just a momentary thing and that angered me so much, since he was putting on this big act. How, after all the things we went through (him as topdog, me as underdog), could he still think that I was that stupid not to recognized the game he was playing? I let him believe that I still was that stupid and it really pissed me off. I played the game, because I wanted him to fall into the trap. He hasn't called over a month and the next time he will call, I will advise him to go to court, which he won't do because he's not sincerely interested in our son, but rather want to play his little game with me. He thought he was fooling me, but it actually turned around on him. But back to the important point. The depression got worst and worst of course, because I wasn't redirecting. I couldn't scream and yell at him, which is truly what I wanted to do. It took me to get to a deep point of that depression to realize that I am actually angry and that I have to release that anger, once I realized that I redirected and I felt better. During that I also discovered how disappointed I was in general of men and that it came from being so disappointed from my dad, when he just left me, back when I was a little girl. This episode also thought me to check my emotions especially when I'm angry. Anger is such an unknown, unfelt emotion. Now I am more aware of my anger and redirect when appropriate and right away. I also realized that chocolate, sugar in excess triggers aggressive behavior in me. That just started lately. But avoiding Sugar and Junkie Food means dealing with my emotions. The less enjoyable ones. But I'm doing it anyway. I started this Candida Diet last week and it was all working out fine until the weekend. There were two episodes which I didn't deal with properly and I ate a muffin on Saturday and cookies w/ homemade jelly on Sunday. Now my system is all messed up and I'm dizzy and my stomach is a bit upset. I am now seeking a way to deal with my emotions while w/ my son. We play a lot and do different activities, which require my attention. While going through emotions and I get to the deepest point of for instance anger, sadness or guilt it's hard for me to focus on anything else, so I eat something not on the list of my Candida-Diet-Foods. For the rest I really would like to take a break. This last 6 month have been pretty though. A lot of mental work. And it's still continuing. I really would like to rest for a week or two, but it does not look like any mental vacation in site. That sounds funny. Take care and be blessed everybody, N I would try to keep shifting your diet to mostly raw food, and avoid bread, cooked grains or beans, cereals, pasta, rice, (try baked potatoes instead), dairy, and processed sugar (try raw dates). If you cook beef, don't over cook. Ellie http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26 http://clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1076 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jun 27, 2001 6:24am Subject: Parents Hi Ellie, I've been following the last few e-mail about parents and I just want to add as a post-flood person (or I should say a person who has been doing the RST for about 7 months) that I still have no real interest in developing a relationship with my parents. I cant say that my relationship with them was that abusive just that they were emotionally very disconnected from themselves and with us and that they drank a lot. They were not full blown alcoholics but I think it was a way that they medicated themselves so that they didn't have to feel or face their feelings. We were also denied the right to have our anger. While I can understand that this was also the way they were taught, it is still hard to have a close relationship with people who cannot or will not be real. Part of the ability to be real includes honest emotions. Sometimes I still feel some anger towards them because I feel that I never really had the love and concern that real parents can give their children. I envy people who have or had that. I realize that it probably won't change. I still have some conflict with my siblings because of the way I feel and most of them are still trying to get what they missed and are still missing from our parents. I make them angry because I tell the truth about them. Some of my brothers and sisters even deny that my parents drank or that they had a problem with alcohol. Some are alcoholics or have married alcoholics. I am still amazed at the abilities we all have to remain in denial. Its hard and I admit that their are ways that I am still in denial also. I get into trouble when I begin to wish that things could or should be different instead of facing and accepting what is true and dealing with it. That includes admitting my anger over it. It remains to be seen what may change over the next few months, I find that it is definitely important to continue redirecting, in fact I really need to check in with myself at the end of the day and see if I stuffed any anger as my habit of repressing has been going on for 48 years. I think it may take awhile to really be aware of my true feelings. This is the only process that I have tried that has caused lasting and real changes for me and I am very grateful. C I appreciate your sharing this, and I hope the group understands that when I mention that relationships with parents may be friendly, I am not suggesting re-engaging with them if they are not open to recovery for themselves. I see rejection of parents by children as an act of tough love. I used to fly out to visit my 98 yr old aunt (a mother substitute for me who was codependent with me) 5-6 times a year at her retirement home, and it was not healthy for me or her. The best thing I did for her was to stop visiting, and now she relies on the people there. We have a friendly phone relationship. My own parents are long gone, but since I have released all my anger toward them, I do feel a sense of love and understanding for them. There are some parents in this group whose children have confronted them, and they are using the RST. In these cases friendly relationships can certainly be restored. Ellie
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More to stay on parents. I know it is not easy to understand. It is nonetheless ever so freeing when I finally gave up the neediness from parents that were not able to love the way I needed to be loved. It is called forgiveness. This is a gift we all have within and in time it will become real to you as you continue to work through all the anger. Forgiveness is not for the parent that abused you. Forgiveness is ultimately for you. It "allows" you to be free of all the anger holding you back from who you are. Hum? How can I really explain this with a define clarity. My own experience may help to understand. The relationship I had with my mother was very toxic. We had what I called my daily bashing session. We talked everyday on the phone. "We" put me down together. Yes, I joined in the jokes about me too. This of course finally came to an end. I told her I do not talk about myself this way any more. It took years to really let go of the relationship. After all it was all I had known and it was the only way to have a relationship with her. However, the pain of always being the butt of her sarcasm was enough and this too wasn't the relationship "I wanted with my mother." What if my mother never called me again? This was the fear and anger I lived in for a while. I couldn't understand why my mother didn't see me as a woman with talent or wonderful. This too was part of the acceptance and forgiveness. Sorry to say it didn't turn out to be the fantasy relationship with my mother. No big revelation came to my mother. My biggest fear had come true. She doesn't call me any more. She is too busy to talk to me. Yet, it was not as horrible as I thought it would be. As I worked the RST and began to stand in my own truth I let go of the hurt, hate, fear and anger. I am able to forgive my mother and understand her. I can love her any way...Her criticism is not about me. It is about her. I forgive her and love her any way. I will not have the "let's go shopping and have lunch" relationship with my mother. I do not have expectations from her any more. I have accepted the painful reality of the mother daughter relationship I have with her. To say it doesn't hurt from time to time would be a lie. Oh, it hurts but not nearly as it use too. When the pain becomes too much... it is time to redirect... and let go. Then the process of forgiveness begins again and I am free to love me and care about me. I can say the relationship did change for the better. I hope this gives a little more light on what Ellie is trying to say. It is the redirecting that comes to mind when someone in the world is putting me down. Who am I redirecting at? Heee heee. It all comes together in time and work. I can honestly say Life is so much better to start it with great affirmations and believe them... then a day of cutting me to shreds. Thanks, Ellie S. Thank you! You are an inspiration, as is everyone who joins this group and has the courage to go through the feelings, get the anger out, and reach this point of true forgiveness. Ellie http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26 http://clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1078 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 7:33am Subject: The Presence of God Dear Elnora Van Winkle, I have been a "self-help addict" since I was around 15 years old. I have studied all kinds of stuff, ranging from yoga to mysticism and new thought. I can say that I'm mystical by nature and sincerely I love the new thought philosophy and that's my religion. Here in the US, I graduated in hypnosis, regression therapy and I'm an ordained minister as well. I have had the opportunity to help many people along the way, however, I always felt as if the kind of therapies I applied was like putting a patch over their problems or somehow hiding them from their past traumas. I, for example, in the last few months developed a kind of depression, helplessness and panic, anxiety crisis, without knowing where it came from! It made me very mad, since for years I had tried to "fix" my mind. Yesterday, sat, June 30th, by the grace of God within me, I happened to find your website and mailgroup through a search in Yahoo. I know it is very early to say it, but something clicked in my mind immediately! I said: -That's it!!!!! I've found the missing link that I was looking for so long. After eagerly reading your self-help system, I laid down and practiced releasing my anger at my parents, and, you may think it is an exaggeration, but I felt as if an energy current was flowing through my body! It was a feeling that I just had felt under deep hypnosis or meditation, as if some heavy weight was released from my body. I look forward and am very excited and motivated to keep on practicing it. And, the best is that your theory cleared a doubt in my soul. For years I have tried to help people and help myself. I always try to practice what we call "the presence of God". However, it came to my mind that: If you still have many repressed anger inside your mind/soul/brain, you cannot fully be yourself neither feel a mystical experience! Now I'm very positive that I'll be able to clear the "blockages" that keep me stucked in a traumatic and limiting childhood. (I was raised in a traditional Christian family and was taught to obey authority without questioning). What I want to say is that, I think that even our religious/mystical experiences will be improved if we follow these procedures. A point that strucked me in the face is that one symptom you list is the need of meditative techniques to calm the mind. And I can back that up, because lately when I felt depressed I meditated, had a good feeling for a few hours, and then went back to depression. Now I know why I had the need to meditate so much! It does not mean that I will not meditate anymore, but, with the grace of God, when I'm "clear" from past suppressed anger, I feel that my meditations will be for the real purpose of improving my soul, not as an easy escape from anxiety/depression. I apologize for being so mystical in my approach, but that is who I am, and I want to follow the path of spiritual growth, but conscious that I'm not in it for the wrong reasons. If possible, please let me know what you think of my point, that is: "When people practice the self-release, they are able to free themselves to better experience their spiritual side". W. I think meditation will come naturally, and for me it has always been a time when I connected with the God within. I believe some of the so-called mystical experiences people have had, have been the "highs" after a detox crisis. It would be the same as that "energy current" you describe. For me, the experience of my spiritual side, of the God within, was in the realization that this is the way our Creator made us so that we could heal. Maybe God is that nerve energy that is restored when we clear the neural pathways. Stay well, Ellie
http://www.clearpathway.net/ 1079 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 8:04am Subject: The Press Ellie, An article in the NYT today on classes for anger. The author wanders cluelessly with this. I left a message directing readers to your site. Hopefully, people will get it someday. D Thank you. I'm afraid the NYT leans toward traditional psychiatry and a drug approach. I sent my sci paper to their Tues Science section. I had a response asking me where I was headed with this, which was an absurd question, but then heard no more. They may even have contacted my dept. head for verification of my credentials. My dept head at the same time sent me a letter with threat of legal action if I did not take my article off the NYU website. Of course he had no authority over that. I confronted him and heard no more. Denial is a powerful adversary to the truth. Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 9:41am Subject: Questionnaire Questionnaire This questionnaire is not a test, but a guide. The changes listed here become more and more pronounced. If you are no longer on any mood-changing medication and keep track of the approximate dates when you notice these changes, you will have an idea of your progress. ************************************************************************* Make a note of the date on which you began the redirecting self-therapy. Notice whether you pounded on a bed or got physical in other ways while redirecting anger, once a day three times a day more often If you could not get physical, notice whether you mentally redirected anger toward past abusers, once a day three times a day more often Before you begin, take your resting pulse on awakening. Average it over several days. Write down the approximate date when you began to notice the following changes. ************************************************************************* You are able to recognize excitatory nervous symptoms as detoxification crises and feel the underlying anger. Anger when intense is easily redirected mentally toward parents or early caretakers. Feel increased "highs" after releasing anger. Notice increased periods of depression after redirecting. Have a heavy or drug-like sleep. Mood swings intensify. More frequent headaches, sweating, fever, sore throat, colds, flu, or other acute disorders. Notice excitatory nervous symptoms less often. Pounded on the bed less often. Mentally redirected anger less often. Feel less of a "high" after releasing and redirecting anger. Have less depression following a "high." Mood swings are less intense and less often. Cry easily, feel sad, but not depressed. Have less trouble falling asleep and sleep is lighter, but restful. Seldom have scary dreams. Posture is straight and shoulders relaxed. Seldom want stimulants, sedatives, or junk food. If you have these occasionally, you don't crave more. Fewer colds or other acute disorders. If plans don't work out, you can find something else to do. You can change the subject in your mind. Seldom act compulsively. Seldom feel guilty. Seldom have resentments. No longer feel driven to activity. Find the creative urge comes in cycles. Work and study efficiently, concentration and memory are good. Feel friendlier and more interested in people, even strangers. Enjoy people, but feel content alone. Anger is mild, infrequent, and is primarily about current interactions. You can flash back to childhood events, even traumatic ones, without emotional pain and enjoy the pleasant memories of your childhood. You feel love and gratitude for your parents on a continual basis Now take your pulse on awakening. It should be lower. ****************************************************************************** 1081 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 5:48am Subject: Intense anger Hi Ellie, Recently I had a very upsetting visit with one of my sisters. She became very angry with me for no apparent reason and said things that reminded me so much of some of the things that my mother used to say to me when I was a kid. It startled me and brought up some really bad feelings and memories, so much so that I began to feel very anxious a week or so after the visit was over. I had some suicidal feelings and a return of the IBS symptoms. I began to redirect again pretty seriously for about a week and the symptoms have pretty much disappeared I still feel somewhat anxious from time to time. I am also having a lot of angry feelings towards my husband and we are talking seriously of separation. I am wondering about the intensity of my anger in these situations. I had thought that I would not feel so intensely angry anymore and I wouldn't have the intensity about the past anymore. I also do not have the loving and grateful feelings towards my parents. Could I be regressing or do I just need more time? I am about 6 months or so post-flood. Do you ever feel intensely angry anymore? C. Hi, You are not regressing, sounds like more repressed anger from the past. I think at six months I still had very intense anger with people that was a mix of anger at them and anger from childhood. Now its over 3 yrs for me and I still get angry, but it's mild. Try doing some intense redirecting everytime you think about their behavior. If you feel any "high" and then any depression, it's definitely mostly anger from the past. Stay well, Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 6:09am Subject: Sleepy stage Dear Ellie, I don't know what to do. I was prescribed antidepressants for depression and anxiety (Effexor xr) but never took them. Then I came across your article and decided to give it a try. But it is really, really hard to feel the anger. I tried the letters to my parents and the pounding on the bed, but I feel I'm pretending. Yet, I insisted. After a few lukewarm, forced tantrums, I entered this apathetic, sleepy stage in which I am now. I have only one exam left to finish my studies (Industrial Engineering) but I am totally unable to sit down and get the books. I have no job, I haven't had a boyfriend in the last 10 years. I eat all kinds of junk foods and I am clueless about how to quit them. Maybe you have a piece of advice for me? Thanks for listening (reading :-) A.
Stay well, Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 10:09am Subject: Pulling weeds Hi Ellie, I do yard work for about 4-5 hours per day - as I'm pulling weeds or exerting myself, is that when I think about my parents/past abusers - if so, how do I refer to them in my thoughts? Or, do I not think of them, and just do the work? I seem to be improving by doing the physical exercise. However I am not improving in my gratefulness and love towards my parents, and this really bothers me. Help!
Ellie
> I don't know if I am post flood but I think so. With exercise, Yoga, massage, and running, my illness has improved. I have a great deal of inner peace and have learned how to relax. > I don't seem to be provoked to great anger very much but do spend a lot of time in solitary pursuits. I have improved my tolerance especially on my traditional test grounds, the internet diet group. (You may also recall how I had inappropriate bursts of anger in relation to small irritating issues like cyclists riding on the sidewalk) On the diet group I state my opinions, stand by them unless I find I am wrong and am not intimidated by criticism or ridicule but have maintained a sense of humor. I have now lost 81 pounds and I think I look more lovely and fit than at any time in my life and am 70 now. I am letting my hair grow in silver so it won't be killed by chemical dye solutions. > I have eliminated unnecessary possessions and toxic relationships and maintain those of value that remain with ease and take great care of my home and person. > I have stopped evangelizing to my friends about diet and exercise. They can see my results first hand and are welcome to information only if they wish it. My daughter, at 45 leads a very contaminated life and has addictive tendencies. I avoid getting involved in her on again off again marital and financial problems, her use of junk food for the family and chain smoking. > This week I considered purchasing a cemetery plot and actually was on the point of being buried near my mother, but my children suggested I be planted elsewhere with them. I said I didn't want to be cremated after what the cat did to an urn of ashes in the dreadful film "Meet the Parents." > I joked, "How come you want me buried near you? I rarely see you when we're alive" :-) D. Hooray for you. I'm smiling. I put in my burial instructions that I should not be cremated, so as not to add toxic fumes to the air, and they should get rid of all the plastic before they put me in the ground. Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 1:53pm Subject: Clearer Thinking > Dear Ellie, >
> I'm writing to keep you posted about my progress. >
> Tomorrow will be one week since I found your site/system. (Uau, it seems to be much longer, anyhow...). >
> Well, all I can say so far is: IT WORKS, if you practice it, of course. I feel in the position to say that, because in the last 14 years or so, I've been involved with most therapeutic system out there, from traditional psychology, to NLP, hypnosis and metaphysics. >
> I'm not putting any of these systems down, they helped me to survive so far, but, RST works and it works. >
> Since last Saturday, My thinking has been much clearer, I feel relaxed 95% of the time, when before I was struggling to be relaxed and out of depression 5% of times! I have a new outlook in life, my creativity seems to be flowing better and I had a boost in my self-confidence, it seems that even women are looking at me differently (don't let my wife know that, please). Thinking back, I must have been VERYYYYYY intoxicated. I literally feel like a heavy weight is lifting from my back, heart and head. >
> On Independence day we went to a barbecue at a friend's place. The following day his wife told my wife that they perceived me as much happier, open, sociable and pleasuring to be around, and they know me for 13 years! What is that for a "metamorphosis"? >
> I might be wrong, but it seems that when you do RST, and get rid of all that suppressed negative feelings, you really become yourself, and not a mirror of your parents' behavior, right? Now I seem to like me for what I am and to be proud of me, I'm loving my body even more. Even when looking at the mirror I seem to be looking at a different person. >
> It seems that RST heals much more than just depression/anxiety, to me, for what I have studied for several years, it seems to really clean your subconscious mind and the false mask of the ego, which inherited most behaviors from the past. I would be pleased if you could comment on that possibility, Ellie. W.
Keep redirecting. Ellie
Redirecting Self-Therapy for Anxiety and Depression http://www.clearpathway.net/ 1086 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 5:14pm Subject: lullabies and beatings Dear Ellie: I just can't get started feeling angry at my parents. Up until I was about 12 my dad would beat me with a cat of 9 tails that he had made to punish me when I was bad. I still feel that I deserved the punishment. I stole insufficient things from friends when I was very young, I stole money from my parents, as much as $20 dollars, I liked to play with matches and almost burned the house down, though not on purpose, I would forget to do some chore my dad asked me to do, if I got angry at him or my mother. All the there things would get me a beating. My mother said later, when I was an adult, that she thought the beatings were too severe, but I remember her watching it happen and not doing anything about it. I don't know if she could have if she wanted to. I am 58 and still feel I am that bad boy who should be beat. I go over and over every thing I do in my mind annualizing it as to what I should have done and always doing what I "should" to get people to like me. My mother is still alive at 85, she is pleasant but I don't want to be around her and I don't have to because she is 4 hours away from me now. Help! D If anyone identifies with this please go out and buy Alice Millers books (not Paths of Life) but For You Own Good and Drama of a Gifted Child. These book tell of the devastating effects of a rigid moral upbringing, which she calls "poisonous pedagogy." Please also read my story, Confessions of a Schizophrenic, to see that I was never abused, yelled at, or treated unkindly, but just abandoned emotionally and had to learn to suppress my anger. on: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26 It takes very little to cause toxicosis in the brain, even lullabies and pacifiers cause toxicosis. Ellie 1087 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 3:44am Subject: Support for D Support for D who was beaten. > I am so sorry for all the beatings your father gave you and sorry that your mom didn't, at least try, to do something about it. There are way too many parents out there who don't know how to raise a child. Again, I am sorry!~~~~~~~~~R Hope you can get to your anger D. No child should ever be beaten. No matter how you may have misbehaved, it was always an unconscious attempt to get your justifiable anger out. Start redirecting. Get mad...Even if you just get mad at your symptoms, get mad...Pound the bed and start getting that repressed anger out. Ellie
Stay well, Ellie Redirecting Self-Therapy for Anxiety and Depression http://www.clearpathway.net/
Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 2:48am Subject: Th e Post Flood Group I just denied access to all pending members in the Post Flood group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-conquered) Sorry, if some of you are post flood and wanted to join, you are of course welcome. I wasn't sure who these pending members were. If you are post flood and want to join, please reply to this and tell me who you are.
Redirecting Self-Therapy for Anxiety and Depression http://www.clearpathway.net/
Ellie
http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1091 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:09am Subject: Another language Hi, Thank you for your e-mails! It is still early to believe that the therapy works, but I feel some improvements. In coming days I am going to translate your pamphlet, The Biology of Emotion, into Albanian language. This I owe to you and many others who are trying to get rid of their traumatic past. Thank you, M Thank you. It would bring the number of languages for the article up to 25. I am so grateful to all of you who are helping to pass this on. Stay well, Ellie http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1092 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:43am Subject: Passing it on If anyone has a website and can put links there, I would be grateful. You are also welcome--and I would be delighted if you can do this--to put the entire article, The Biology of Emotions, on your website in any of the 23 languages. I attach no copyright to the short article. My aim is to have it reach all corners of the world. Stay well, Ellie http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure
Stay well, Ellie http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1094 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:35am Subject: Symptoms Hi, Ellie: question: let's say I'm in bed, late at night, waiting to fall asleep. No bad feelings, no fear, no anxiety (maybe a little), no depression (maybe mild). Do I have to wait for a symptom to connect to the anger, or can I call the anger when I feel "not that bad" to speed the detox process? A By all means, you can try to do some redirecting even when you don't have intense symptoms. Detox symptoms consist of many detox crises in individual neurons and are going on all the time, even when you don't feel the symptoms intensely. I emphasize doing the RST during symptoms because this accelerates the detox most efficiently. Pound on the bed for a while. If you have trouble falling asleep, it may or may not help, but it will help the detox process. Stay well, Ellie http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure 1095 From: Elnora Van Winkle> Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:30am Subject: Normal Emotions It was the first week in May this year when I found your website, so its now over 2 months that I been redirecting anger. What I found was that there where underlying emotions, which I felt peeling away each week. From feeling of guilt, then rejection to anger. Now the only emotions I feel are feelings of hurt, real emotional pain like a stab wound through the heart. Now that I got free from the main negative emotions, I feel I have reached the root, the real emotional pain that has caused all these other negative emotions. Can you relate to this stage? and can you tell me what follows. I don't yet feel any positive emotions, such as happiness just emotional numbness or pain. How long before I start to feel normal emotions? You are not going to feel emotions of happiness in the sense of feeling euphoric or "high." Those were due to the release of excess noradrenaline. What you should have is a sustainable peace of mind. When you are stressed in current situations by someone's abusive behavior, even if mild, you will use the RST to get your anger out either in private or by calmly confronting the person. This will bring you a quiet mind. Your normal emotions are primarily anger and feelings of grief, sadness. This is what normalcy is. The feeling of hurt may be a signal for more repressed anger to come out. Stay well, Ellie http://www.clearpathway.net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure
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From: Thérèse Dubuis> Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 1:22pm Subject: Ellie's Absence Dear Subscribers, My name is Thérèse, I'm Lynn in the archives. This short note is to inform you all that Ellie is currently unable to continue maintaining the d-c-c list. She told me she's very ill and might eventually die without being able to bid you all goodbye in writing. Please join me in wishing her a peaceful end and, for those of you who do, in praying for her. Ellie has asked me to keep this list and her presence on the Internet up and running and I'll do my best to keep her work spread as much as I can. Best regards, Thérèse
Message 1100 From: Thérèse Dubuis Date: Thu Sep 5, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: Ellie's Death - Future of this Site and Related Discussion Forums Dear Forum Members, Ellie died August 26th, 2001, of pancreatic cancer. I last talked to her on the phone on that very day, only a few hours before she died. She left very few family members and almost no friends. She kept being unfairly attacked because of her beliefs up to her very last days - and even post portem. Yet she meant no harm. Her current Web site and discussion forum will be kept as an archive and I will only answer questions privately. The reason is I am no scientist myself and cannot take Ellie's place in elaborating her theory further. The second discussion forum, named depression-conquered, was meant only for post-flood people (I would recommend at least one year delay after post-flood is reached, to enable people to have more perspective). Time has brought some evidence that post-flood people do not feel at ease to talk at length with other people they don't know, and with whom they only share the experience of having used RST. A few weeks before her death, Ellie told me she was considering closing the forum down because, having answered all types of questions a number of time, she thought she was wasting her energy in an unproductive media. People who were going to use her theory simply did it after reading her article, very often without even trying to get in contact with her, and the ones who were asking questions and discussing her theory endlessly thereby avoided finishing up their recovery process. If anyone of you feels interested to open and maintain an interactive forum either for people starting with RST or for people who have been post-flood for some time, please feel free to do so. But be prepared to dedicate a lot of your time to it, because the task is both demanding and time-consuming. As a matter of fact, information will be maintained available but contact with the author is for ever interrupted. No one can pretend he or she would answer questions as pertinently as she did. This is why I feel it is important to state the following : * all information you need to succeed in your recovery is in the pamphlet and in the archives of this forum. * for related literature reference, please read Alice Miller, Arthur Janov, Jean Jenson, Melody Beattie, Aletha Solter, etc... * for medical or psychological advice, please refer in person to a certified therapist or doctor. * for group support, please look around for AA or ACA-type of support group. If after thorough reading, you feel that Ellie's theory contradicts what you already know about your own health, please discard it without regret. Please remember that you cannot rescue anyone but yourself, but recovering your own emotional balance is the biggest step you can make to save the world. However, although your current sufferings will be relieved to an extraordinary extent, emotional recovery is still a painful experience, and life afterwards remains painful, even if it is in a very different way. On August 26th, 2001, at 2am, she told me "Farewell" With deepest regards to all, Thérèse, Ellie's adopted little sister.
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