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98 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 3:50pm Subject: Apocalypse Someone reminded me to include some others in my list of prophetic people, who seem to be a part of the end of the old world and the beginning of a new, sane, and non-violent world. There was Dr. Bob, Bill Wilson's friend, and Lois, Bill's wife who threw a shoe at him, which may have started Alanon, and then ACA and CODA. The self-help measures are a part of the ninth step for recovery from co-dependency, described by Melody Beattie, as 'Dealing with those who have harmed us.' The biology now supports the effectiveness of working this step. Many people are agnostic or atheistic and begin to believe in a higher power when they get into 12 step programs. As much as I'd like to think of God as someone who will someday hold me in his lap like the good Daddy I never had, I'm more inclined to think of God as Energy. The clearing of the neural pathways allows this Energy to flow. So we are all getting in touch with the God within. As the Hindu's said of the big bang, 'God in his expansion created matter out of himself' Ellie Self help for depression is on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 99 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Tue Dec 21, 1999 0:47am Subject: At about a year Here's an update from Kathy who was the first to find the article on the Internet early this year and use the self-help measures. Some of you read the Exchange between Kathy and me. She wisely reminded me that post flood when most of the repressed anger is gone is not a point of cure and that there is sometimes a prolonged period of grief. For me the period of grief was intense but rather short. For others it may be different. One of the things I now realize is that since I was alone with no responsibilities when I developed and used the measures, it may have been easier and faster for me. Janov also wisely said we were so damaged there will always be scars. -- -- Ellie, Hi an hey, Sorry I've not been in touch...the grief plus interviews and work and all has been taking its toll on me...but I think Ellie I'm coming through it now. I think I couldn't have had it tougher...no money, no job I like, temporary place to stay (no home) no relationship as such....(supportive) but you'll be pleased to know Sarah (her twin sister) and I are on the mend and on a totally new footing...I finding it hard to give up my side of the co--dependence, especially since I've been feeling so 'needy'. Any now...things are on the up and I think I'm coming out of the grief stage slowly. I've decided for now not to do the primalling...and I've a new job to start in the new year...research/phD post.......the grief hit me very hard and I'm sorry this meant losing touch for a while Kathy
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 100 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Tue Dec 21, 1999 0:49am Subject: Also almost a year So glad to hear some good news about Kathy. Sounds like everyone's pace is truly unique, yet the year or so of stabilization also replicates.... Lynn
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
What are the self-help measures? Sounds like something I could use badly. Rose Dear Rose and other new people on the list. So glad you are interested. Some of the people on this list signed on after reading the short One List description. Others signed on after reading one of the articles on my web sites, so you already know about the self help measures. The self-help measures are best understood by reading and rereading the articles. There is a short version on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579
http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html Everything you need to know about the self-help measures is in the articles, although there is much more in the Archives as people have recovered using this self-therapy and taught me more ways to use the measures. The Welcome message is also in the Archives, Digest No. 30. You might want to save this since it has a questionnaire that some have found helpful as a guide. I try not to repeat by reposting information to the list, so please take your time and reread the articles and Archives. Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Tue Dec 21, 1999 2:22am Subject: The highs Dear Shirely, Are you still feeling 'high' after a detox of anger. Ellie
Have a beautiful day -- Shirely Dear Shirely, I wrote my 96 year old aunt (who was a mother to me, as my own mother died when I was fairly young) a confrontational letter (not blasting her, but firm) and I have no regrets. We didn't speak for a few months, but then I reached out to her, and now we have a healthier friendly relationship. Too bad you couldn't have turned that guilt (anger misdirected inward) into another release and redirecting of anger. You would have felt even higher. Enjoy the 'highs'...they're not forever. I think it's God's sneaky way to get us to do this work. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 103 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Wed Dec 22, 1999 4:44am Subject: No one is a loser Dear Elnora-- I was doing so well. Then tonight I got stressed out because I had to make necklaces for four women at work for Christmas presents (found out today they're going to exchange presents tomorrow instead of Thursday), and in my haste I got one all tangled up. Feelings of pressure about pleasing people at work, as I know they're spending big bucks. Anyway, I couldn't detangle it. So, bang! Threw all the fresh water pearls and amethyst, etc. all over the floor. Told my wonderful husband I'm leaving him. Threw a couple of small glass vases against the wall -- scared even me! Went for a walk. Should be preparing for the party tomorrow, but I'm not capable. Will have to cancel it, as I need to do a complete housecleaning. I had a lot of sugar today -- at work they bring all kinds of crap in every day and I've been unable to stop myself from eating it lately. So much for my great progress. I was supposed to have a party tomorrow night. All kinds of people coming. I'm too fucked up to do it. I now feel like I can't face people at work tomorrow without presents -- may quit my job-- and will post a sign at my apt. buzzer tomorrow night letting people know the party is canceled. Can't direct energy anywhere but at myself. I'm losing it totally. I have this compulsion to a) let people down and b) make people disappointed in me. I'm such a complete loser. Shirley
Congratulations! Losing control is what will free you. You are a WINNER for going through this, and you will get new chances to redirect. Sounds like the sugar triggered a detox, not to feel guilty about the sugar--the craving for it is physiological, you are powerless over it, in fact it will help you detox if you recognize the need to redirect anger next time. Hope next time when the stress starts you can go right into redirecting anger. "I'm such a complete loser" I "should be" "pleasing people" "I'm not capable" "I'm too fucked up" This is such an example of turning anger inward. I hear the voices of your parents in you. I was raised on the commandment that I should think of everyone else first. What a lot of shit codependent control on the part of my parents who wanted me to take care of them!!! f them!!! Can you be on alert for this next time, and really let your anger out at your parents and all subsequent abusers, including those people at work who have expectations of you. Fu to them all, and bang on the bed and if you throw the things around mentally throw them at ALL who hurt you. You are a winner to be willing to go through this. Even without redirecting these detoxes are somewhat healing. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
Hi Ellie. I'm going to work, though I'm apprehensive about not having my gifts. I'll just have to work through that, though I feel I'm putting myself in a position of outsider at work. Well, I'll just have to learn to say "So what?" It's a good opportunity to show strength, which I know I have deep reserves of somewhere deep inside. Yesterday I called my mom. The phone call seemed to go okay, but maybe that triggered something, as well. I look forward to being able to create artwork again without freaking out and destroying it. (I've done this before. A lot of my artwork doesn't "survive.") Yes, I think next time I'll remember to redirect. This just really caught me by surprise. Next time I'll be prepared. Shirely
I'm glad to hear you're OK, and I've found in situations like it seems to be for you at work, I just had to fake it and get through it. People won't understand what you are going through. We are outsiders. I went through a period of feeling very estranged from the world, but it passed as I learned later I could relate to people in a new easy way. The others at work are probably more worried about their own 'people-pleasing' than whether you have gifts. I hope your Christmas is peaceful. It's OK not to do this work sometimes too. We need a break. Ellie
I needed this letter to understand what was and is happening with me. I don't know about Shirley but I get it. Thank you Thank you Thank you. This seems to have put the missing pieces together for me. To hell with trying to have a peaceful holiday season. I never have before. Only this time I'm going to, instead of withdrawn, shame based depression, I'm going off for as long as I need to and direct my rage towards the guilty well deserved parties involved so that next year I might be able to experience what a normal holiday season is. Get it?? Got it!! Fred
Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 2:48am Subject: Cravings for food Good Morning: I'm depressed because I feel my relationship is based on my weight. If I don't lose the weight, I lose the fiancé. I am so confused and frustrated because I try so hard to lose but always seem to cheat and not lose. I work, go to school, have a 10 year old daughter, I can't be concentrating on weight all day long. I am so depressed. I try singing Christmas carols to keep me happy but I think I'm losing it. Love and God Bless. Dawn. Dear Dawn, I had a food problem too and went to OA for a while, but my depression had nothing to do with food or overeating. All the efforts I made to avoid eating or avoid eating the wrong things were to no avail. But after I used the self-help measures in the article my depression lifted, and after about a year I had no problem eating the right foods or the right amounts. My weight has remained stable for about two years with no effort. Are you using the self-help measures for your depression. That is what this list is about, recognizing excitatory symptoms as triggers that repressed anger related to childhood is trying to emerge. If you are using these self-help measures, they will relieve the depression, and the cravings for food will slowly diminish and eventually disappear. Please keep rereading the article on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 and the longer version on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html You can use the cravings for food as signals to release and redirect anger, but if you eat anyway and feel guilty, then recognize the guilt as anger turned inward. This is another trigger to release and redirect anger. Let me know if you have any questions about the self help measures in the articles. Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 3:15am Subject: Karma Interesting scene today though at work. One of my co-workers is a real new ager (into Louise Hay and astrology signs, big time) and the subject of my new red clothes came up. I used to wear a lot of lilac and purple. So this woman says, "Yes, red is grounding. Red is good for you. You need to get grounded before you can try to be spiritual." I noticed right away I was angry and hurt, and instead of stuffing it in, I let her know I was angry and her comment was insensitive. My heart didn't pound, and I didn't back down. Wow! This feels like progress. I have not been able to do this type of thing with co-workers, friends, or family in the past without all sorts of side effects and repercussions, "guilty after-burn," etc. (I have big issues with new-agers, because sometimes it seems to me like they're the flip side of born again Christians in the way that they blame the victim for every single thing that happens to them. "You chose that" or "You created that" or "It's your karma," or "What were you supposed to learn from that"-- etc.) Shirley,
Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html 108 From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 3:38am Subject: The Christmas Story? Poor baby Jesus gets wrapped in swaddling clothes tomorrow. Here's my dictionary's definition: 'strips of cloth wrapped around a newborn infant to hold its legs and arms still.' Sounds like a straight jacket to me! When I became post flood and had cleared the neural pathways in my brain where childhood memories are stored, I was able to flash back and remember being wrapped that way. I could feel the tightness of the restraint. I understood why I unconsciously wanted to be in those straight jackets in the mental hospitals--to re-enact that early trauma and have my justifiable anger. And no wonder Jesus got mad at his mother and told his friends to leave their father and mother and follow him. He even said to one of his followers who wanted to bury his father first, "Let the dead bury their dead." Matthew 8:22. And he said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Matthew: 10:34-36. The Christmas story for me is that 2000 years ago Jesus really knew how to bring about his miracles of healing--and now science proves his miracles. Merry Christmas or maybe better...have a Maddening Christmas. Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Sat Dec 25, 1999 4:24am Subject: Antidepressants I was asked about a chemical imbalance and about the use of antidepressants, including some that are substances found in the body, so are considered natural. Whether a drug or a natural substance, anything taken in to the body that is not a utilizable nutrient is toxic to the body and the body will eventually need to detox it. ALL drugs have an equal and opposite reaction. If they sedate, later they will excite. If they stimulate, later they will depress. The irony is that drugs can trigger an emotional detox and in a way are useful (if one is redirecting) and this is why we crave them until we are post flood. If you think about when someone gets drunk, how angry they usually get, you can see that the alcohol has triggered a detox of anger. Sugar does the same thing. I'm not suggesting getting drunk, but this is the paradox. We have a chemical imbalance. The imbalance is NOT genetic, but was caused by the suppression of anger (and grief) in childhood and it's continued suppression. The antidepressants, including things like SAM-e (SAM is a natural substance in the brain and elsewhere), make you feel better but add to the imbalance. The self-help measures have the same effect chemically as the antidepressant, but they will not add to the imbalance, and in time the imbalance will clear. If you continue with the antidepressant you will need to use the measures much more intensely and for a longer period of time. If you are suicidal without them, then you will need to continue with them and try to use the measures more often. Ellie
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html
Ellie
From: Elnora Van Winkle Date: Sat Dec 25, 1999 5:03am Subject: Chemical Imbalance Here is a bit more about the use of SAM-e. Below is the abstract of my paper, which explains the chemical imbalance. It has not yet reached the psychiatric profession, and it will take time for it to be accepted. Most psychiatrists are into suppressing the very symptoms that are healing. SAM, or S-adenosyl methionine is a cofactor that provides a methyl group to inactivate catecholamines. If taken in exogenously it adds to the imbalance. Compared to a lot of other things we use to suppress symptoms, it's not too toxic, but I hope you can substitute the self-help measures instead. Ellie
E. Van Winkle, retired, Millhauser Laboratories of the Department of Psychiatry New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY. Mailing address: Murray Hill Station. P.O. Box 893, New York, NY 10156 Abstract -- The continual suppression of emotions during fight or flight reactions results in atrophy and endogenous toxicosis in noradrenergic neurons. Diminished synaptic levels of norepinephrine are associated with depression. During periodic detoxification crises excess norepinephrine and other metabolites flood synapses. The norepinephrine overexcites postsynaptic neurons and causes symptoms ranging from mild anxiety to violent behavior. Some of the other metabolites, which may include dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin, gamma-aminobutyric acid, peptides, amino acids, and various metabolic waste products, are bound by noradrenergic receptors and alter neurotransmission. When they prevent norepinephrine from exciting postsynaptic neurons, depression returns. A mechanism is proposed for the binding of norepinephrine and for the effects of the other metabolites, many of which have been thought to be neurotransmitters. The diverse receptor proteins presumed to be specific for false neurotransmitters may instead encode specific memories. The shift in depressive and excitatory behavior is characteristic of nearly all nervous and mental disorders, including addictions, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and psychosomatic disorders. When toxins accumulate in regions of the brain that control specific activities, the symptoms observed will be related to those activities, giving rise to supposedly distinct disorders that represent the same detoxification process. Recovery can be facilitated by therapy and self-help measures that involve the releasing and redirecting of repressed emotions. Medical Hypotheses vol. 54, no 1, Jan 2000 Self help for depression is on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway/depression.html The same article entitled Self help for addictions is on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579 The longer version entitled Self help for emotional disorders is on: http://pages.nyu.edu/~er26/depression.html Yüklə 5,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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